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Watson or Flintoff?

Shane Watson
- 12 (32.4%)
Andrew Flintoff
- 25 (67.6%)

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petehosk

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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2010, 06:06:24 PM »

Yes - It seems that when someone states "wason hands down" they dont seem to give a reason!
Whereas everyone who picks Fred gives good sound reasons why!!! Hmmmm!
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2010, 06:41:37 PM »

freds a good fielder tooo , not saying watson isent , but fred has a bullet arm and good hands!!
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2010, 07:02:43 PM »

Freddie every single day of the week feared the world over with his bowling and destructive batting and his class fielding ? virtually one every single players world eleven ? Watson although i like the Name lol has done nothing yet and his bowling is not in the same league, batting wise so far a success but again not over a longer period and they will work him out.
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2010, 07:22:27 PM »

flintoff test batting: 31.7
watson test batting 39.5 opening!!
flintoff test bowling: 32.8
watson test bowling: 29.14

watson wins both batting and bowling there.


watson FC batting:46.76
flintoff FC batting: 33.8
watson FC bolwing 29.14
flintoff FC bowling: 31.59

watson again
flintoff = overhyped
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2010, 07:29:27 PM »

Those stats imo dont show the whole story, Watson has literally burst onto the scene as a handy opening batsman who bowls a bit. He will become found out, like all players. And preferably i would have flintoff because of his ability to change a game or match situation! Has Watson done this yet? No. Will he ever? Only time will tell.
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2010, 07:29:52 PM »

Who would you prefer to have in your team though? For me it's flintof every day, statistics dont tell us how he raises the game of everyone around him - many of his test wickets came through pressure with the guy the other end reaping the benefits.....can't see watson doing the same
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2010, 07:33:14 PM »

Who is most highly regarded by his peers ? that's the point which clears it up for me although i didn't have doubts about it to start with as Freddie was a very special player indeed.
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2010, 07:41:16 PM »

Whos watson played against - a poor pakistani side, a very weak west indian side and two or three matches in england - hardly what i would call a proven track record.......lets see how he gets on in India and SA and when he visits England again
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2010, 07:54:41 PM »

flintoff average vs aus:33.5
watson average vs eng: 48

flintoff has only scored substantially above his career average vs NZ and WI
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2010, 07:56:55 PM »

Technically harris is one of the best spin bowlers in the world according to stats........i rest my case
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2010, 07:57:52 PM »

Yes - It seems that when someone states "wason hands down" they dont seem to give a reason!
Whereas everyone who picks Fred gives good sound reasons why!!! Hmmmm!
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2010, 08:22:10 PM »

What are the bowling averages James?
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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2010, 09:40:15 PM »

flintoff test batting: 31.7
watson test batting 39.5 opening!!
flintoff test bowling: 32.8
watson test bowling: 29.14

watson wins both batting and bowling there.


watson FC batting:46.76
flintoff FC batting: 33.8
watson FC bolwing 29.14
flintoff FC bowling: 31.59

watson again
flintoff = overhyped

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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2010, 01:32:33 PM »

technically it says that shakib al hasan is the best one day all rounder in the world, would you rather have him in your team instead of watson, flintoff, gayle, kallis?

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Re: Let the fight begin.....Watson vs Flintoff
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2010, 01:48:59 PM »

Nah!!! For bowling there is only one choice - Flintoff (assuming he's fit)
For batting?? Tough one really! Wartson's on great form! But Kallis iis the class all round (proven) batsman!
If I were short on bowling in a team and wanted to strengthen the bowling with an all rounder who can bat, I would go for Freddie every time..no question!
If I were short of batting but wanted an all-rounder who could bowl, then for class I would go for Kallis. But on current form I'd have to go for Watson!
Sometimes it doesn't matter what the averages say, or what it says technically... you just have to go with who you think is the best bet!
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