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[InternalTraining]

More than dimensions it's also the pressing. I have seen "tiny" specs in some old GM and Salix bats, but they were pressed well and a lot less fragile than some of the softer pressed modern day bats.

"Lot less fragile"? How do you mean?

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"Lot less fragile"? How do you mean?

I meant a lot less fragile than one may think. Have copped a few brutal inside edges on the thin toe of my old flare and it has had no impact. But nobody would buy a bat like that now (round face, round toe, Hard pressed)..
 Square toes that are softer pressed (like a lot of today's bats) are easier to damage...which is why you probably need the bigger specs.

Nothing good or bad..just making the point that specs alone won't give you the full picture.

[InternalTraining]

I reviewed both. I would not like a toe under 20 mm as John said. Lots of bats are splitting near the shoulders with narrow shoulders. You can go full Excalibur and drop them. Traditional round toes is another saving. Hang on I'm pretty much describing a Blank Bat B20.

What do you think of XP-80 on low/slow pitches and driving from low/mid-low position? Is the toe alarmingly thin on XP-80?

[sarg]

Have you seen any XP go there yet? or a you talking about the F18s .do you remember what was the edge size at the shoulder on the xp? I didn't take any measurements but just thought the proportions looked wrong to me.

I am generalising about bats with those features. F18s I have seen, but I think the twisting and vibrations test bats with these specifications. I've personally switched to thicker shoulders 16 mm minimum,  as it helps lighten the pickup having a more mass there and balance out a thicker swell down low.

[sarg]

What do you think of XP-80 on low/slow pitches and driving from low/mid-low position? Is the toe alarmingly thin on XP-80?

This was one of the videos I did on the XP80.

https://youtu.be/4l8U7yrzylI

I would suggest a older shape like the Laver Jules would work better.

https://youtu.be/lmnWJOWlbnU

Really the XP70/80 are designed for true bounce and pace where you are playing on the up or cutting and pulling. If I was on lower deck that hold up I would either try and play front foot...but I'm a amateur. Traditional or subcontinent shapes probably suit those conditions better.

[Phoenix]

Have you done a kaboom replica review @sarg ?

[sarg]

Have you done a kaboom replica review @sarg ?

Nope. On then bucket list. Unless players want to share, im not financial enough to buy every bat. I can only imagine that loke any of the Kransbueller bats it is well made and will perform. The SSH doee not really appeal to me personally.

[skip1973]

Nope. On then bucket list. Unless players want to share, im not financial enough to buy every bat. I can only imagine that loke any of the Kransbueller bats it is well made and will perform. The SSH doee not really appeal to me personally.

This season's bats had a standard handle.

[InternalTraining]

Really the XP70/80 are designed for true bounce and pace where you are playing on the up or cutting and pulling. If I was on lower deck that hold up I would either try and play front foot...but I'm a amateur. Traditional or subcontinent shapes probably suit those conditions better.

That's helpful.

I suppose that Warner replica is a bat for all conditions then but it is 2-13 minimum.