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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #210 on: January 16, 2017, 11:19:10 AM »

I didn't think there was much wrong with 350, and I don't think there is much wrong with our batting line-up, technique and thinking.

We are simply not set up with the bowling to compete in the sub-continent, and there isn't much you can do about it at the moment. If you look at our bowling, at least one of the spinners needed to do a Jadeja and go 10 overs for 50. I know some of their spinners got some tap too, but the difference is that one didn't.

It's infuriating that in these conditions we can't have at least one slow bowler bowl out his 10 for under 6 an over, I think that would have made a difference.

We simply don't have people to do it and our seamers will have to take the brunt. We really need to be chasing wherever possible at the moment.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #211 on: January 16, 2017, 11:32:54 AM »

Hales
Roy
Root
Billings
Stokes
Buttler c&w
Bairstow
Ali/Rashid
Woakes
Willey
Ball/plunkett


5 bowlers plus root, bat to ten(xi if plunkett for ball). Go hell 4 leather for all 50 overs and aim for 400-450 minimum!
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #212 on: January 16, 2017, 11:36:53 AM »

I didn't think there was much wrong with 350, and I don't think there is much wrong with our batting line-up, technique and thinking.

We are simply not set up with the bowling to compete in the sub-continent, and there isn't much you can do about it at the moment. If you look at our bowling, at least one of the spinners needed to do a Jadeja and go 10 overs for 50. I know some of their spinners got some tap too, but the difference is that one didn't.

It's infuriating that in these conditions we can't have at least one slow bowler bowl out his 10 for under 6 an over, I think that would have made a difference.

We simply don't have people to do it and our seamers will have to take the brunt. We really need to be chasing wherever possible at the moment.

i agree i don't think there is much wrong with the batting, the one change i would like to see is Dawson for Rashid - i realise he has done well in ODI's recently but he has done it expensively and i don't think you can afford that against this India batting line up.

The other way you could go is replace a bowler with Billings and just try and simply get 400 and hope India don't get it, but i just don't think that would work because i truely believe this ODI series is actually quite simply -

If we don't get Kohli out we will lose - no matter what we get! - simples

NB - i say all of this with the caveat that Morgan will play every game and captain no matter what - when i think Butler should be doing etc....


 
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #213 on: January 16, 2017, 11:38:54 AM »

Would dawson not do a job like jadeja?

looked like a tight spinner if not spectacular but looked like he could do a job
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #214 on: January 16, 2017, 11:45:16 AM »

I think he got smacked for a couple of overs in one of the warm-ups and the England management dropped their poopers and won't select him.

Should probably be given a try in a real game, then at least we would know for sure.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #215 on: January 16, 2017, 11:47:14 AM »

just read an interesting article on cric buzz...

the writer argues that England lack genuine wicket takers in this format. he shares some stats that seem to back up his argument.

genuine fast bowler is missing - Wood or Mills would fit that bill

he argues, to simply have an attack that can only contain no longer works...

thoughts? think he may have a point...
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #216 on: January 16, 2017, 11:50:34 AM »

i am just watching the highlights of the game and some of the shots that Kohli and Jadhav played were ridiculous  :o :o

We didn't bowl well but you have to say as a bowler i am not sure what you must think or do when some of those shots are played off you.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #217 on: January 16, 2017, 11:59:43 AM »

I thought Woakes bowled pretty well and didn't get used his full 10

the game is hugely in favour of batsmen these days

@roco @FattusCattus  slow right arm over both sides of the wicket are open, left over over darts is there not a more difficult option for the batters hitting against any turn

or is that also irrelevant in the modern game?
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #218 on: January 16, 2017, 12:42:44 PM »

No point in playing spinners that are worse than Indian net bowlers.

Need some players that bowl military medium cutters on these pitches at times.

Raw pace from the likes of Wood would be useless on this pitch, he would be like another Mohammed Sami.

No height to extract natural bounce on these low bouncing pitches is just asking to get smacked like Brett Lee etc.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #219 on: January 16, 2017, 12:47:16 PM »

No point in playing spinners that are worse than Indian net bowlers.

Need some players that bowl military medium cutters on these pitches at times.

Raw pace from the likes of Wood would be useless on this pitch, he would be like another Mohammed Sami.

No height to extract natural bounce on these low bouncing pitches is just asking to get smacked like Brett Lee etc.

do you mean the equivalent of a paul Collingwood/steve Waugh/Ronnie irani..... that sort of bowler?
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #220 on: January 16, 2017, 01:02:42 PM »

With enough pace you can take the pitch out of the equation

I have seen Johnson and lee do it a few times
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #221 on: January 16, 2017, 01:46:58 PM »

I think more than anything the bowlers have to have a brain - it doesn't matter what you bowl, if you bowl 2 sides of the wicket you have no chance. You need to at the very least give yourself a chance and bowl to a field/plan that your captain can set a field to and then bowl with some variation so the batters can't set themselves too much.

Then if they hit it out the park you just say fair enough.

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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #222 on: January 16, 2017, 01:58:03 PM »

just read an interesting article on cric buzz...

the writer argues that England lack genuine wicket takers in this format. he shares some stats that seem to back up his argument.

genuine fast bowler is missing - Wood or Mills would fit that bill

he argues, to simply have an attack that can only contain no longer works...




thoughts? think he may have a point...

Without a doubt  England put to much emphasis put on so called containment bowlers that  Only works If they can bowl like Glenn McGrath  England need an opening bowler wicket taker
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #223 on: January 16, 2017, 02:03:12 PM »

i am just watching the highlights of the game and some of the shots that Kohli and Jadhav played were ridiculous  :o :o

We didn't bowl well but you have to say as a bowler i am not sure what you must think or do when some of those shots are played off you.

have you got a link to the highlights? slow day in work for me...
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #224 on: January 16, 2017, 02:27:23 PM »

have you got a link to the highlights? slow day in work for me...

sorry rich it was on Sky Sports - i would presume there are some on their website though
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