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[Seniorplayer]

agree Alex, he's not a world beater, just a decent player and we will need him when jimmy retires, he's quick as well. didn't used to be but he is now.

I don't like stats, people interpret them different ways depending on your agenda(not yours anyones agenda)

it took bottle to bowl that last over.

Neither do i  stats.are looked at and you think they are decent or poor rarely gives the true picture
Not sure it took bottle to bowl that last over when it's your job in the side it's what your there to do

[ppccopener]

Neither do i  stats.are looked at and you think they are decent or poor rarely gives the true picture
Not sure it took bottle to bowl that last over when it's your job in the side it's what your there to do

Nasser did a great section in the break during the game just how much the bowlers margin has shrunk in the last few years, even the last couple. Batsmen with big bats and fielding restrictions are making the margin for error very small.

back in our days Senior........you would never see a Yorker hit for anything but a scrambled single, now batsmen are making shots out of nothing.And the fielding restrictions really do make a difference-there's gaps everywhere.

I think the game has changed, like many I look at our death bowling and weep sometimes, but the game is loaded in favour of the batsmen, our bowlers are trying to hit a small area.

Morgan packed the offside in the last over, the first couple went for boundaries thru the offside. Woakes had to hit that plan despite being carted thru the same area.

I think we need to give some credit to Woakes here @Seniorplayer   

[WalkingWicket37]

The argument about stats can be manipulated is a strange one here.
Have they taken wickets off other people and given them to Woakes? Have they knocked runs off Woakes' overs and given them to other bowlers?

Woakes is a hard worker and has proven he's got the quality for international cricket. He doesn't have the natural talent of Stokes, but has put in a lot of effort to get I to the side and prove his worth. Just because he ran over you cat or something there's no reason to constantly slate his cricket. He puts on an England shirt and performs well. What more do you want from him?

[ppccopener]

RIP senior players cat. I still miss my cat he died 10 years ago.

[edge]

Far too much is being made on here about Woakes "working hard" rather than being talented I think - yes he has worked hard and needed to put some pace on for the international game to really succeed, but bizarre to deny he's a proper natural talent? This is a guy with a better FC bowling average than either Broad or Jimmy, bear in mind, who's always swung the ball both ways. Just because he needed to put 10mph on his bowling to get consistent success in international cricket doesn't mean he's not a talent.
Been one of the best players in county cricket for years, obviously a classy bowler, took a 6-fer away in Aus in his first international series, proper batsman good enough to get his test debut as a no.6 bat, what more do you want? It took work and time for Stokes to nail down a spot in the team too, international debut in 2011 and wasn't a guaranteed pick in any format til 2015. Working hard doesn't make either of them less talented.

[WalkingWicket37]

Urrrrrmmmm did anyone (other than @Seniorplayer) say Woakes wasn't talented?
I said natural talent, which was perhaps the wrong term as it's clearly been misinterpreted, so I'll rephrase
"While Chris Woakes is a fine player in his own right, he doesn't have the same "flare" or "X-Factor" that empties every bar in the ground as England's other all rounder, Ben Stokes.
Both are real assets to the side, and could win a game for England."

[Seniorplayer]

The argument about stats can be manipulated is a strange one here.
Have they taken wickets off other people and given them to Woakes? Have they knocked runs off Woakes' overs and given them to other bowlers?

Woakes is a hard worker and has proven he's got the quality for international cricket. He doesn't have the natural talent of Stokes, but has put in a lot of effort to get I to the side and prove his worth. Just because he ran over you cat or something there's no reason to constantly slate his cricket. He puts on an England shirt and performs well. What more do you want from him?

Consistent performances  that's what all players need and the public like to see .

[Seniorplayer]

Urrrrrmmmm did anyone (other than @Seniorplayer) say Woakes wasn't talented?
I said natural talent, which was perhaps the wrong term as it's clearly been misinterpreted, so I'll rephrase
"While Chris Woakes is a fine player in his own right, he doesn't have the same "flare" or "X-Factor" that empties every bar in the ground as England's other all rounder, Ben Stokes.
Both are real assets to the side, and could win a game for England."

Wrong Cam
Nowhere in my posts do I write Wasn't or  isn't  talented

[Seniorplayer]

Blimey this guy Mills looks quick...

[rickjames]

Ah, Chris Jordan with a no ball

[ppccopener]

Ah, Chris Jordan with a no ball

i was wondering where chris Jordan went to...he's back

[smilley792]

Oh look a cricketer running for the ball at full pelt and about to dive.

I'll stand as close to boundary as I can on his line, he'll definately stops short of me.........


Boom!!!

[rickjames]

MO!

[csnew]

england have done well in the first 8 overs not letting india get away

[rickjames]

You can almost hear a pin drop