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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #510 on: January 26, 2017, 05:15:13 PM »

Very few old players are doing well currently in T20Is in all teams. India with yuvraj, raina and dhoni are sure to go downhill if not already...instead of grooming youngsters, negative approach by indian selectors by bringing in the discards based on their form 5 years back..So far all problems have been masked due to the brilliant form of kohli..when kohli fails, very difficult for india to win except for the odd games when someone steps up...Yuvraj single handedly lost india the game in a previous t20 wc finals. Still selectors have brought him back again...on other hand england are on right track for all limited overs formats..only if they can dare to remove morgan if he is out of  form which is generally the case most of the times..

I agree that England's approach towards moving on from their veteran players has allowed them to get the next generation of one day players into the team, and that in turn has seen an uptick in their performance in the one day game. For instance moving on from Cook and Bell in the one day setup has been a positive move because their game was more suited towards the longer format. However, I still believe that Kevin Pietersen could have remained a key part of their one day set up had they kept him in the side rather than send him into international exile. Players with that level of ability and experience can still be valuable in a team, so perhaps that is why India have decided to remain loyal to players like Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni? Granted I do agree that they do need to consider some of the up and coming players if their ageing veterans are not performing (though Raina is only 30, which isn't old) and they are getting left behind, but sometimes it can be difficult for teams to move on from players with their status in the game.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #511 on: January 26, 2017, 05:30:08 PM »

In T20, by the time you realize the stature of the player, the game is over lol..Best thing eng did back then was to get rid of Cook and co in limited overs despite their "stature"..they were years behind in limited overs cricket and see where they are now...even though eng lost odis by 2-1,  the way they played, they can replicate success easily as everyone contributed in every game unlike ind which won due to some individual outstanding performances, which is not an easy model to replicate..
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #512 on: January 26, 2017, 07:08:19 PM »

In T20, by the time you realize the stature of the player, the game is over lol..Best thing eng did back then was to get rid of Cook and co in limited overs despite their "stature"..they were years behind in limited overs cricket and see where they are now...even though eng lost odis by 2-1,  the way they played, they can replicate success easily as everyone contributed in every game unlike ind which won due to some individual outstanding performances, which is not an easy model to replicate..

Just looking at the IPL last season, seven of the top ten run scorers were Indian: three were at least thirty years old Dhawan (30), Vijay (32), and Gambhir (34); and the other four were Kohli (27), Rahane (28), Sharma (28), and Raina (29). If you look at positions 11-20 on the run scorers list, there was Karun Nair (24), Lokesh Rahul (24 - currently in the t20 team), and Sanju Samson (21); and in positions 21-30 there was Krunal Pandya (25) and Manish Pandey (26 - currently in the t20 team). So in last year's IPL only nine of the top thirty run scorers were Indian and under 30 years old at the time.

Compare that to the Natwest t20 blast. Five of the top ten run scorers were English and under thirty years old (Cockbain, Roy, Duckett, Cobb, Northeast). In positions 11-20 on the run scorers list there was Lloyd, Bell-Drummond, Hain, Malan, Stoneman, and D'Oliveira; and in positions 21-30 there was Jennings, Kohler-Cadmore, Rossington, Lyth and Dawson. So out of the top thirty run scorers in last season's t20 tournament, 16 were English and under thirty years old. Some of them are currently in the England one day setup and others are on the fringes of the England one day setup or involved in the Lions. That's one of the big differences between the IPL and our t20 tournament, in our t20 tournament you often see more young talent emerge and take centre stage, whereas in the IPL it tends to be the big name players that take centre stage. Does having more young players on the top run scorers list make England's talent pool better than India's? Not necessarily, but it certainly gives England a fairly deep pool of young talent to choose from in their one day set up. That's big reason why the selectors have the desire and willingness to give these exciting young players an opportunity to play on the international stage because they are generally scoring the most runs in their domestic t20 tournament.

As for India, perhaps they should turn to Nair or Samson in their batting line up rather than Yuvraj, and consider finding a new keeper to take the gloves off Dhoni. But in India's defence, they have started to blood in younger players: Rahul (24), Pandey (27), Pandya (23), Rasool (27), Bumrah (23), and Chahal (26) - that's six players that have made their debut within the last two years. Kohli is still only 28 years old. An argument can be made that today they were let down by their experienced batsmen not converting their starts to big runs, but that can happen in any match, and I wouldn't expect India to fall flat again on Sunday.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #513 on: January 27, 2017, 04:32:28 AM »

Morgan looks like he's back to his old ways, a joy to watch.

He is doing well lately, is it the new bat???  ;)
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #514 on: January 27, 2017, 05:12:01 AM »

It's from playing against good competition in the BBL
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #515 on: January 27, 2017, 08:12:20 AM »

England thoroughly outplayed India. This England side is a joy to watch in the limited overs matches. They play no fear cricket.

The bowling line up is versatile and can deliver in all conditions. Jordan is a good death bowler and Mills surely should play all T20 games.
The only slight negative is that Root might not fit in the T20 side unless he improves his power game. Any thoughts on whether Root should go out once Hales is back?
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #516 on: January 27, 2017, 08:40:19 AM »

I would be a fan of resting Root from as many T20 games as possible to prolong his form and drivein the other 2 formats.

Sure I'll be shot down, but he could be our best test bat ever so missing out occasionally is fine.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #517 on: January 27, 2017, 08:54:49 AM »

Without Root, we would have lost to South Africa in the group stages of the World Cup and had a very early exit.


Don't judge him on yesterday's game, we had it in the bag and he had no reason to attack.

Yes he can't hit it as far as the others but he can tick along easily at a decent strike rate and win us games with ease.

Joe root is the highest ranked English t20 batsman currently.

Joe root was our leading run scorer in the World Cup, 243 runs at an SR of 145!!


I'm begining to think people don't actually watch cricket, or atleast don't remember more than the last game.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #518 on: January 27, 2017, 09:06:13 AM »

Without Root, we would have lost to South Africa in the group stages of the World Cup and had a very early exit.


Don't judge him on yesterday's game, we had it in the bag and he had no reason to attack.

Yes he can't hit it as far as the others but he can tick along easily at a decent strike rate and win us games with ease.

Joe root is the highest ranked English t20 batsman currently.

Joe root was our leading run scorer in the World Cup, 243 runs at an SR of 145!!


I'm begining to think people don't actually watch cricket, or atleast don't remember more than the last game.

"I'm begining to think people don't actually watch cricket, or atleast don't remember more than the last game."  :D

Short memories
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #519 on: January 27, 2017, 09:18:09 AM »

Root plays all 3 formats, period. And this stuff about 'rest' all the time is a load of absolute nonsense.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #520 on: January 27, 2017, 09:18:33 AM »

Well my point has nothing to do with yesterdays game, mine is a long term view.

I've heard he has some sort of back complaint and as a die-hard England fan I want him to play for as long as possible.

MY PERSONAL view of T20's is they are a bit of fun and knockabout, therefore I would be happy for key England personnel who play a lot of games to miss a few of them and get a bit of a rest.

Just my two pennorth and no knee-jerking going on here.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #521 on: January 27, 2017, 09:22:22 AM »

Well my point has nothing to do with yesterdays game, mine is a long term view.

I've heard he has some sort of back complaint and as a die-hard England fan I want him to play for as long as possible.

MY PERSONAL view of T20's is they are a bit of fun and knockabout, therefore I would be happy for key England personnel who play a lot of games to miss a few of them and get a bit of a rest.

Just my two pennorth and no knee-jerking going on here.

Wasn't necessarily aimed at you, it has been said before and sgxricket described him as a negative.


As for Root, if he wants to play t20s then let him. as forcing him to miss them may have a negative effect elsewhere.

If your good enough to be picked for all 3 formats then do you wish you should get to play them.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #522 on: January 27, 2017, 09:28:53 AM »

I would be a fan of resting Root from as many T20 games as possible to prolong his form and drivein the other 2 formats.

Sure I'll be shot down, but he could be our best test bat ever so missing out occasionally is fine.

Couldn't agree more. Plus the pressure he will be under if given the test captaincy as well as playing all 3 formats.
There isn't a need for him to play. Smiley puts some good stats up but the truth is that others haven't been given a chance.
I watch a lot of cricket and for me Butler and Stokes and 5/6 for a T20 is a waste of talent..
The other pluses of Root not playing T20 is that he might cut out those silly one day shots that have constantly got him out in Test matches over the last 2 years...
Lancashire currently don't consider Haseeb for the really short format of the game and I hope they never do for obvious reasons and for me the same should be for Root.
If he captains, fatherhood, British press and his own standards are an awful lot to carry on ones young shoulders, so why let him play T20? It's not like we need him..
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #523 on: January 27, 2017, 09:34:05 AM »

Root plays all 3 formats, period. And this stuff about 'rest' all the time is a load of absolute nonsense.

Sports are all about opinions...

BUT sir your opinion on Root playing T20 is complete and utter rubbish :-P
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #524 on: January 27, 2017, 09:56:06 AM »

Ultimately if the player wants to play and he's good enough then he'll do so. Ain't gonna change and it's gonna be gr8

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