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[wasted_talent]

ErrorS

Lol, ok fair dos. 2 errors from one guy. Same guy apparently umpiring last game too. 

[wasted_talent]

not sure I buy the wickets argument to be honst - there are too many variables.

what would you say the variables are?

[Manormanic]

what would you say the variables are?

well, the "too many wickets left" argument suggests you think more risks earlier in the innings was the way to go.  But actually, that wasn't really the case - Root and Stokes had the target well under control, it only ever went above nine in the 18th over.  It was only when Bumrah bowled a run of dots that the numbers changed markedly against England.  So the variable would be run rate, bowlers, expectations etc.

[sgcricket]

Poor umpiring cost England the game. But to be honest they shouldn't have let it get to that. In my opinion, Root doesn't fit in the T20 side. Once Hales is back, maybe Root should make way. Also Buttler should bat higher up the order (maybe at 3).

Shamshuddin and Anil Chaudhary both have been poor right throughout. Hopefully they don't get any other series for a long time to come.

India on the other hand should drop Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina and Nehra from the T20 side and go with youngsters. No idea why Jadhav isn't part of the team. Rishabh Pant should come in for the 3rd T20.

[JTtaylor145]

I think Joe Root should be rested from T20I's and just concentrate on Test matches and ODI's. This would allow Butler to bat up the order and give Root a bit of a break. Joe Root doesn't have to play T20I's and isn't going to play BBL or IPL. He doesn't need T20I cricket and I think we have more powerful strikers of the ball such as Stokes, Roy, Butler, Morgan, Billings, Bairstow and others that could be given a go so that Root can have a break.

[adb club cricketer]

Root has T20I SR of 131 (and averages 40) while ABD has SR of 132. Not sure if we can really say Root is unsuited for T20. He just had one off day in last game, but he should continue to play T20I..

[wasted_talent]

well, the "too many wickets left" argument suggests you think more risks earlier in the innings was the way to go.  But actually, that wasn't really the case - Root and Stokes had the target well under control, it only ever went above nine in the 18th over.  It was only when Bumrah bowled a run of dots that the numbers changed markedly against England.  So the variable would be run rate, bowlers, expectations etc.

fair points. the rate only climbed in the last 2 overs.
just wonder if the old adage of plan your chase discounting the last over would have been sensible in this scenario!

[Seniorplayer]

Joe played  a poor shot to get out all he needed to do was push for 1 get butler on strike  the  the tesult could have been different.
Always felt England were a batsman light as with another batter  Morgan  and Root  could have been less cautious and played more big shots in the middle overs.

[WalkingWicket37]

Joe played  a poor shot to get out all he needed to do was push for 1 get butler on strike  the  the tesult could have been different.
Always felt England were a batsman light as with another batter  Morgan  and Root  could have been less cautious and played more big shots in the middle overs.

On the flip side, Root smashed it into his pad and had he not been triggered by India's 12th man they would have scampered a single to get Butler on strike

[Manormanic]

fair points. the rate only climbed in the last 2 overs.
just wonder if the old adage of plan your chase discounting the last over would have been sensible in this scenario!

possibly - but if they had done so, they would have needed to take more chances which might in turn have put them in a much worse position at the start of said final over.  The fact is, there were only two points where England seemed to be struggling - the end of the 18th after Bumrah had forced the rate up, and during the 20th (after one of the all time great pieces of corruption!)  That to me says they planned the chase pretty well.

[JTtaylor145]

Root has T20I SR of 131 (and averages 40) while ABD has SR of 132. Not sure if we can really say Root is unsuited for T20. He just had one off day in last game, but he should continue to play T20I..

It isn't a case of whether Root isn't suited to T20 it's a case of does he really need to play it. There is nothing wrong with his average in T20 at all but lets keep him for ODI's and Test matches so he doesn't burn out. I would rather have ABD than Root in ODI's and T20's.

[Manormanic]

It will take AB seven years to qualify....

[JTtaylor145]

It will take AB seven years to qualify....

I'll happily wait 

[wasted_talent]

possibly - but if they had done so, they would have needed to take more chances which might in turn have put them in a much worse position at the start of said final over.  The fact is, there were only two points where England seemed to be struggling - the end of the 18th after Bumrah had forced the rate up, and during the 20th (after one of the all time great pieces of corruption!)  That to me says they planned the chase pretty well.

8 off the last over v India's best bowler. On a wicket were scoring was difficult.
Don't think either of us is wrong, but I would have definitely personally taken a risk earlier against the "lesser" bowlers.. especially as they had plenty of wickets in hand and bat deep.

[Seniorplayer]

On the flip side, Root smashed it into his pad and had he not been triggered by India's 12th man they would have scampered a single to get Butler on strike

Yes and thats the point there was no need to try and smash it.