Topic: Cricket Bat Mentality (Read 9389 times)

well past my peak · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2017, 08:50:17 AM »

Quote from: skip1973 on January 17, 2017, 08:14:20 AM

surprising there's not a cricket specialist on every corner seeing how much money's in them.

thanks again for your input Skip, would have save us a lot of typing if you just said " Aussie retailers pay a higher price for our bats than the Uk retailers"

well past my peak · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2017, 08:57:32 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 17, 2017, 08:28:45 AM

If those in Australia can accept the 'second option' so not actually seeing the bat or picking it up which agreed is not ideal.....then it begs the question why more of you don't buy this way

international shipping seems very reasonable, there will be duties as well, but looking at these numbers quoted for buying direct, is there something stopping more Australians buying here and getting it shipped over

are we missing any info here?

I think the trend for online and custom bats will continue to grow, perhaps the "industry" is unknowingly fueling this.
Look at what L&W and now B3 are doing to the US and AUS market, I think more will follow if the industry continue to try and milk the aussie market

manno · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2017, 08:58:42 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on January 17, 2017, 08:24:23 AM

It's not competitive, prices are kept at a rate by the industry.

I think your right. Seems like a cynical excercise by the industry in setting each price point at a level they think is the absolute maximum amount of $$ they can squeeze out of us. Whether thats mum n dad buying for their kids, bat loving hackers or serious players. Nobody misses out in the price gouging! And we're notoriously compliant here. So nothings gonna change. We are also pretty average at supporting the little local guy. So it doesn't leave many options.

roco · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2017, 09:01:16 AM »

I was discussing this recently with a few friends.

Bat prices seem to have sky rocketed without a genuine reason i.e. material costs etc have gone massively up etc...

Big brands are probably paying more in wages and fees for rent etc and sponsorships have increased but then the whole market seems to match if 1 raises prices

Don't get me wrong I have not seen any makers or retailers driving round in jags ( other than @Ayrtek Cricket ) so the money must be going somewhere

Weird as 10 years ago a top end bat was �250 and Laver were laughed at for charging �300-�400 but now there prices have not risen much but others have overtaken being �500 plus for top end.

Maybe its perception that if you had the same bat but different stickers with a �200 price difference would people now naturally assume the higher price one is of higher quality?

I think they would.

roco · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2017, 09:05:35 AM »

Are retailers told what the lowest they can sell things for?

Whats to stop a sports direct type model with buying tons of stock and selling at rock bottom prices? There must be something as it has not happened.

Before we claim all retailers are crooks maybe we need to understand if they have instructions from brands on what they can and cannot do.

Nmcgee · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2017, 09:13:54 AM »

Quote from: well past my peak on January 17, 2017, 08:46:52 AM

finally a sensible answer, thanks mate.

so are the bats sold to different countries are different rates?
Because the locally made industy is dead in AUS ( less competion) bats are sold at a higher price to the Aussie retailer.
I guess there is certainly potential for the increase in aussies purchasing overseas and perhaps more grey imports.

I don't think the Aussie market is dead at all. Disposable income in Aus is high and they charge accordingly. A lot of blokes on here espouse buying English made and I'd rather buy Aussie made or from an Aussie retailer. Some of the best batmakers are here and there is just as much overpriced rubbish coming out of the UK as there is here. Dinger does a good job at Kooka, SK at GN is world class and there is a multitude of smaller brands if you're interested.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2017, 09:47:05 AM »

Quote from: adb club cricketer on January 17, 2017, 04:21:50 AM

Agree with the ridiculous pricing. If the bats were made in Uk, the higher price is somewhat understandable, but for ASIAN made bats such a Kook/GN where labor cost is low, the prices being more than some of the Uk made ones doesn't make sense. As there is no single brand which has decent bats for decent prices these days, people will still be buying the high price stuff. To choose between not playing due to lack of equipment vs paying a high price and get to play the game they love, most will go for the latter any day.

There was a chart on here showing a breakdown of costs import manufacturing etc profit was very decent

Nmcgee · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2017, 09:58:46 AM »

Really?....they made a profit.....disgusting! They should just give the gear away so that we can all get G1 bats cheap as chips.

well past my peak · « **Reply #23 on:** January 17, 2017, 09:59:00 AM »

Quote from: Nmcgee on January 17, 2017, 09:13:54 AM

I don't think the Aussie market is dead at all. Disposable income in Aus is high and they charge accordingly. A lot of blokes on here espouse buying English made and I'd rather buy Aussie made or from an Aussie retailer. Some of the best batmakers are here and there is just as much overpriced rubbish coming out of the UK as there is here. Dinger does a good job at Kooka, SK at GN is world class and there is a multitude of smaller brands if you're interested.

Agree SK is a great, but his bat's are only sold via a retailer, as for Dinger sorry don't know of him, I guess he makes for the local sponsor players and repairs, is the average Joe able to buy bats of him?
Fisher has closed, as has Imo the last great Aussie bat maker was JM, how I loved to watch him at his Capalaba factory produce some of the finest bats ever made.
Not really interested in buying part mades or of a guy who makes a handful of bats a year, but if you know of local quality bat makes please would love their details.

madpra6 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2017, 11:11:11 AM »

A very interesting thread a meaningful discussion. Me being in India have started buying bats from a small boutique company in Bangalore reason being I was suddenly enlightened that I was paying way too much for these branded bats like SS,SG,BAS,BDM etc etc...Everyone here knows how many players SS,SG,BAS,NB etc sponsor & you can also imagine how much they would be paying as a sponsorship fees. End of the day they recover this money by high pricing their products. I personally have not found any difference in the quality of the bats I have bought from these guys in Bangalore. In fact I stay 600kms away from Bangalore....just spoke to them & told them what I want & they sent me exactly what I want....have already bought 3 bats from them & their prices are way way....reasonable compared to the biggies & no compromise in quality.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #25 on:** January 17, 2017, 11:42:12 AM »

Quote from: Nmcgee on January 17, 2017, 09:58:46 AM

Really?....they made a profit.....disgusting! They should just give the gear away so that we can all get G1 bats cheap as chips.

There's profit and then there's profit.....

Tom · « **Reply #26 on:** January 17, 2017, 11:46:25 AM »

Quote from: well past my peak on January 17, 2017, 08:46:52 AM

finally a sensible answer, thanks mate.

so are the bats sold to different countries are different rates?
Because the locally made industy is dead in AUS ( less competion) bats are sold at a higher price to the Aussie retailer.
I guess there is certainly potential for the increase in aussies purchasing overseas and perhaps more grey imports.

Prices appear greater in Australia, because prices are set for that market by the manufacturers. For the UK manufacturers who sell into Australia they would have based RRP/Trade Prices based on GBP. Now when we look back to March/April, the RRP and Trade Prices would have been set at an expected exchange rate of ~2AUD to 1GBP. Now that has obviously changed significantly post-Brexit - with the rate nearing 1.6AUD-1GBP.

A GM LE in Australia retails at around $960, which would have been �480 pre-Brexit (totally in line with GB pricing). Or �600 post-Brexit.

I expect next year, assuming our currency remains weak, we'll see UK cricket bat prices increasing significantly.

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #27 on:** January 17, 2017, 11:51:13 AM »

Quote from: Tom on January 17, 2017, 11:46:25 AM

Prices appear greater in Australia, because prices are set for that market by the manufacturers. For the UK manufacturers who sell into Australia they would have based RRP/Trade Prices based on GBP. Now when we look back to March/April, the RRP and Trade Prices would have been set at an expected exchange rate of ~2AUD to 1GBP. Now that has obviously changed significantly post-Brexit - with the rate nearing 1.6AUD-1GBP.

A GM LE in Australia retails at around $960, which would have been �480 pre-Brexit (totally in line with GB pricing). Or �600 post-Brexit.

I expect next year, assuming our currency remains weak, we'll see UK cricket bat prices increasing significantly.

Wouldn't the cost of bats subsequently go down in the foreign countries? The fall in the GBP surely means 95% of all bats just got cheaper in every country around the world as willow is exported? I have absolutely no idea of the price so these figures are plucked out the air but say a cleft is 100GBP or 150EUR to buy pre-brexit it is now only 130EUR to buy post brexit?

roco · « **Reply #28 on:** January 17, 2017, 11:52:13 AM »

Quote from: Tom on January 17, 2017, 11:46:25 AM

Prices appear greater in Australia, because prices are set for that market by the manufacturers. For the UK manufacturers who sell into Australia they would have based RRP/Trade Prices based on GBP. Now when we look back to March/April, the RRP and Trade Prices would have been set at an expected exchange rate of ~2AUD to 1GBP. Now that has obviously changed significantly post-Brexit - with the rate nearing 1.6AUD-1GBP.

A GM LE in Australia retails at around $960, which would have been �480 pre-Brexit (totally in line with GB pricing). Or �600 post-Brexit.

I expect next year, assuming our currency remains weak, we'll see UK cricket bat prices increasing significantly.

Just from the big brands or across the board?

Why would this be because they need to raise more from exports or because their imports will be costing more?

I can see this affecting softs but struggle to see why this should affect uk made and sourced bats as no importing

Tom · « **Reply #29 on:** January 17, 2017, 11:57:40 AM »

Quote from: Calzehbhoy on January 17, 2017, 11:51:13 AM

Wouldn't the cost of bats subsequently go down in the foreign countries? The fall in the GBP surely means 95% of all bats just got cheaper in every country around the world as willow is exported? I have absolutely no idea of the price so these figures are plucked out the air but say a cleft is 100GBP or 150EUR to buy pre-brexit it is now only 130EUR to buy post brexit?

The prices would have been set pre-Brexit, so the vast difference you're seeing in pricing between Australia and GBP retail stores has been exacerbated by exchange rate fluctuations.

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