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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2017, 05:55:55 PM »

Ok , medical engineers , 'proper' engineers , yada yada ... all good stuff . But this is cbf . Shouldn't we be talking Farokh Engineers ?
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« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2017, 06:17:16 PM »

Ok , medical engineers , 'proper' engineers , yada yada ... all good stuff . But this is cbf . Shouldn't we be talking Farokh Engineers ?

He was an engineer to be proud of
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2017, 06:17:40 PM »

We have 2 quality engineers at work who can use a vernier so think they are engineers

Does that count?

I'm a poor Cnc engineer so not sure if that counts

Very poor !!!
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2017, 06:31:13 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2017, 08:31:38 PM »

Right my bat handle split in nets. Bat was 2lb 10 and I felt the one weakness of the bat was a thin handle. I have had the handle replaced by a local guy who has set up to do bat repairs. Potential risk of course but saved on postage. So he had an old woodworm in the work shop and I asked for a similar oval style handle. When I showed to collect it the oval was very large. But the problem was the pick up it definitely wasn't picking up well. I asked him to weigh it and the bat was now 2lb 12oz. Clearly the balance has been affected. When I got home my first thought was to add an old grip to end of handle. This has imo made a difference but now I have a 2lb 14 oz bat. Considering I used a 2lb 5oz Harrow last year I better eat eggs for breakfast tomorrow morning! Be interested to see how I get on tomorrow with it.
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2017, 08:40:18 PM »

^ So, now you know why the handle was thin in the first place. ;)

Bats and handles, eventually, break. What matters is the quality of your experience when you go out to bat. With the additional grips, you have now a much heavier bat which could impact your timing. If I were you, I'd take the bat back to the repairer and ask him to shave the handle down to the old thin-ness to restore the old weight and balance. Good luck!

PS: I am not a fan of bat surgery. The original bat maker had his reasons for making the bat with certain weight, feel, and balance and I don't like messing with it. :)
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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2017, 09:01:20 PM »

^ So, now you know why the handle was thin in the first place. ;)

Bats and handles, eventually, break. What matters is the quality of your experience when you go out to bat. With the additional grips, you have now a much heavier bat which could impact your timing. If I were you, I'd take the bat back to the repairer and ask him to shave the handle down to the old thin-ness to restore the old weight and balance. Good luck!

PS: I am not a fan of bat surgery. The original bat maker had his reasons for making the bat with certain weight, feel, and balance and I don't like messing with it. :)

Unfortunately the handle broke after 2 games and the third net. I would argue that the handle was thin to keep the dead weight down. It was sold on to me by another forumite and perhaps they also felt the original pick up was not quite right. I don't think the original pick up/balance was quite right either due to the handle. It has a cracking middle. You are right there are massive potential impacts on my game as I've never batted with anything as heavy. I also agree big risk to playing about with bat surgery. Hopefully game is on tomorrow and I get a bat and we will find out if it impacts on my batting.
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2017, 10:06:16 AM »

Game off today will have to wait until nets to try it out.
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2017, 10:42:36 AM »

Unfortunately the handle broke after 2 games and the third net. I would argue that the handle was thin to keep the dead weight down. It was sold on to me by another forumite and perhaps they also felt the original pick up was not quite right. I don't think the original pick up/balance was quite right either due to the handle. It has a cracking middle. You are right there are massive potential impacts on my game as I've never batted with anything as heavy. I also agree big risk to playing about with bat surgery. Hopefully game is on tomorrow and I get a bat and we will find out if it impacts on my batting.



One thing that is curious - how could adding an extra grip make the pick up better (adding extra weight) when fitting a heavier handle made it worse in the first place.....

This is a perfect example of pick up or feel - and the current subjective nature of it.

The "feel" can be measured and given a number.

My question to you guys is given the resistance of the cricket player (industry) to change how would you (would you in the first place) implement pick up weights rather than scale weights......
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2017, 11:04:58 AM »



One thing that is curious - how could adding an extra grip make the pick up better (adding extra weight) when fitting a heavier handle made it worse in the first place.....

This is a perfect example of pick up or feel - and the current subjective nature of it.

The "feel" can be measured and given a number.

My question to you guys is given the resistance of the cricket player (industry) to change how would you (would you in the first place) implement pick up weights rather than scale weights......

You are certainly more than an expert than me on this. The second grip I have half rolled down and left the other half rolled up at top of handle. The ordinal handle was thin and round the entire way. The new handle is think at bottom standard at top so I've added extra weight at top of handle.
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2017, 11:29:43 AM »

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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2017, 11:37:29 AM »

I had a sponsored GM players bat in last year and they had drilled in down into the handle and inserted a hardwood dowel, I assume for counter balance.
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2017, 01:01:34 PM »




Don't take this the wrong way, but what is you average and highest score this season ? Genuine question as I have a therory related to your bat grip that may or may not help.
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2017, 01:28:08 PM »

I played two games with the original bat 102 and 51. Bat handle broke used old bat scored two. Have just netted with the bat in its current guise and couldn't hit the ball. Far too slow on it particularly my cut and pulls. The oval handle is definitely bigger than I wanted. The pick up and weight and balance now completely different.
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Re: Counter balance on cricket bats..do they really work?
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2017, 05:20:30 PM »

Ok so shocking with the 'counter balance' I removed it and hit a couple of buckets of throw downs. Was bit better. Wil net again Monday and see how I go.
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