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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2017, 09:23:30 AM »
When the bat makers/bat company's buy the clefts is the hartwood seen as a blemish therefore down grading the cleft.
   
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2017, 10:25:43 AM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on February 23, 2017, 09:05:46 AM
It does come in and go out of fashion there was a time when when heartwood was so unpopular it was bleached white


Hmmm .......kookaburra circa 1990's !
Whiter than me in winter !  :D
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2017, 11:34:20 AM »
Quote from: Biggie Smalls on February 23, 2017, 10:25:43 AM

Hmmm .......kookaburra circa 1990's !
Whiter than me in winter !  :D
Yes I had one  they were whiter than a brides wedding dress.
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2017, 01:27:20 PM »
Quote from: elmoog on February 23, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
When the bat makers/bat company's buy the clefts is the hartwood seen as a blemish therefore down grading the cleft.
 

If they're being honest then it should downgrade it slightly, you shouldn't really ever see a gn legend with heartwood (unless it's been asked for) if you look at someone like @hell4leather cricket they grade them so fairly you see bats that some brands would call grade 1/ grade 1+++++ they would call grade 2 because of it
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2017, 01:54:31 PM »
Why should heartwood downgrade at all?

JS Wright's grading system

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A Grade 1 Blade
A Grade 1 is the best looking blade, though it will not necessarily play the best. There may be some red wood evident on the edge of the blade.  The grain on the face will be straight and there will be a minimum of 6 grains visible.  There may be the odd small knot or speck in the edge or back but the playing area should be clean.

A Grade 2 Blade
A Grade 2 blade is also very good quality and normally a larger amount of red wood can be seen on the edge of a blade, this has no effect on the playing ability of the bat it is purely cosmetic. Again there will be at least 6 straight grains on the face of the blade with maybe some blemishes, pin knots or “speck” visible, we also put the top 2% of the excellent quality butterfly blades that we get into Grade 2.

A Grade 3 Blade
This is  a middle grade that is produced in much higher numbers than the top grades and it offers very good value for money. A Grade 3 Blade has up to half colour across the blade which again has no direct relation to the playing ability of the wood, it just has less visual attraction. There will be a minimum of 5 grains on the face of the blade which may not always be perfectly straight. Again some small knots or butterfly stain may be present with sometimes more prominent “speck”.

A Grade 4 Blade
A Grade 4 Blade is normally over half colour or contains butterfly stain (see our page on Imperfections in Willow). It will still play as well as the other grades. Any number of grains are possible with often only 4 grains, the willow containing ‘butterfly’ stain is very strong, there could also be more “speck” and other faults.
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2017, 02:05:04 PM »
Does that mean that a pros 50/50 bat is technically a grade 3?As the JS Wright grading system states that a grade 2 must only have heartwood on the edge .
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2017, 02:06:32 PM »
@WalkingWicket37 generally speaking look at the highest grade bats you won't see many with heartwood
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2017, 02:09:58 PM »
the best hheartwood clefts normally gome from grade 3/4 and of course the pro do always use grade 1
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2017, 02:16:05 PM »
Quote from: Loc1215 on March 05, 2017, 02:05:04 PM
Does that mean that a pros 50/50 bat is technically a grade 3?As the JS Wright grading system states that a grade 2 must only have heartwood on the edge .

By JS Wright's grading system yes.
But there isn't a set standard for grading, so each brand can call whatever they like "Grade 1"
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2017, 02:21:42 PM »
Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on March 05, 2017, 02:16:05 PM
By JS Wright's grading system yes.
But there isn't a set standard for grading, so each brand can call whatever they like "Grade 1"

That's why buying a bat is a messy business .I know someone with two legends both half heartwood so one brand can call it super grade 1+++ and charge £600 whilst other willow suppliers will grade it a grade 3 .
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2017, 02:39:39 PM »
Quote from: Bwcc on March 05, 2017, 02:06:32 PM
@WalkingWicket37 generally speaking look at the highest grade bats you won't see many with heartwood


Quote from: JTtaylor145 on March 05, 2017, 12:42:44 PM




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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2017, 02:51:10 PM »
Gray nics grow and cut their own willow though, so they are free to grade however they want and choose whatever specs they like for what makes each cleft that grade
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2017, 02:52:55 PM »
Quote from: tom line on March 05, 2017, 02:51:10 PM
Gray nics grow and cut their own willow though, so they are free to grade however they want and choose whatever specs they like for what makes each cleft that grade

I asume all the bedroom brands with two or three different types of Grade 1 must all grow and cut their own willow too then?  ;)
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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2017, 02:54:21 PM »
Quote from: tom line on March 05, 2017, 02:51:10 PM
Gray nics grow and cut their own willow though, so they are free to grade however they want and choose whatever specs they like for what makes each cleft that grade

most companies grade there own willow no matter what they receive from JS Wrights in terms of there grading.

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Re: Heartwood?
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2017, 03:05:16 PM »
Used to be so much simple in the old days
Grade one or two
Most off the shelf bats performed amazing with a bit of knocking etc.
It's got to the point nowadays, I've gotta inspect the cleft/moisture content/sharpness of draw knife etc etc

Only joking, bats nowadays are all wonderful
And all bat supplier/makers are honest and hardworking, and would never bleach/disguise/mislead eager buyers
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