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[Seniorplayer]

I can watch the match, if I can get hold of the TV control 
but I cannot read thru 6 hours of comments on here

back to the vaping thread and let's hope there's no mention of Chris Woakes in there.

I hope he get a double ton and takes 12 wickets in the next match
 

Well if  we  believe what some write on here it could happen

[northernboy1987]

I think we're very lucky to have both of them, and they are in the team on merit.

This man knows.

[tate035]

Quite agree that Stokes is the better player in all aspects, never denied it. I just don't understand the hatred of Woakes by a certain person when he's always done a good job for England

I understand the negative comments on Woakes (based on performances when he 1st became an England player) but for me he is one of the most improved cricketers in international cricket.
Currently he deserves his place, although him playing in all 3 formats is for me the wrong thing.

He has a great chance of replacing Jimmy as the main swing bowler and along side his batting he could become a genuine all rounder however to pro long his career and to give him more time to develop his bowling skills I would keep him OUT of white ball cricket.

We have players like the Curran's, Billings, Livingstone, Wood, Duckett, Westley etc who could replace him in the one day format in one way or another...

[edge]

Good to see Woakes starting to contribute more consistently with the bat in ODIs, we all know about his bowling but I think he's a hugely underrated batsman - rock solid technique and as composed at the crease as anyone in the England side. Most wouldn't think of him as a big hitter but got the big shots, hopefully he keeps finishing off these games when the middle order fails - No. 8 is such an important position in limited overs cricket.

Just because apparently it's impossible to have a post without mentioning them both at the moment, Ben Stokes is also very good at cricket.

[Seniorplayer]

Quite agree that Stokes is the better player in all aspects, never denied it. I just don't understand the hatred of Woakes by a certain person when he's always done a good job for England

Your over the top with your hatred comment don't hate anyone but wonder about others who have the word in there volcabulary  and your wrong again with your he's  always done a good job comment .

[LcWoodward]

Woakes has vastly improved in the last 12-18 months from being just a county level plodder to actually showing international level class. Fair play to the lad.

[Byo]

Your over the top with your hatred comment don't hate anyone but wonder about others who have the word in there volcabulary  and your wrong again with your he's  always done a good job comment .

It's very much how you come across, fair enough if you don't.

[Manormanic]

I understand the negative comments on Woakes (based on performances when he 1st became an England player) but for me he is one of the most improved cricketers in international cricket.
Currently he deserves his place, although him playing in all 3 formats is for me the wrong thing.

Woakes has done the things which you would hope all international players would do (save those in the indisputable genius class) - he has had a taste, evaluated what he needed to do to fit in at the tp level, gone back to county cricket and worked like hell to get there.

Version 1 was talented, but his batting showed a real weakness when the ball was short and his bowling had craft but not enough grunt to earn respect. 

Version 2 has tightened up the technique so that he will always be a decent bet to score useful runs - not in the true all rounder class like a Kallis/Botham/Khan but certainly in the useful second string class alongside Hadlee, Pollock and Warne - and he has done the hard miles in the gym so that batsmen cannot take liberties with him anymore.

Is he a rock solid certainty in all formats?  For me, only in ODIs - in Tests, our optimal seam attack would be Anderson, Broad, Wood, Stokes and in T20 Willey, Mills and Wood might usurp him.  But he is definitely a 50+ test player come the end.  He is also testament to the benefits of self improvement.

[Seniorplayer]

Agree with all of the above Do think though for tests once Anderson and Broad  retire and if Wood keeps breaking down England will have a seam bowling problem.

[Felix Tito]

Where has Woakes' improvement been on display? His only noteworthy Test appearances where gimme wickets against Sri Lanka and Pakistan on raging green tops. Against stronger opposition Woakes is still the same buffet bowler

[Woodyspin]

Where has Woakes' improvement been on display?

Compare him to the bowler he was against australia in 2013. Completely different bowler!

[Seniorplayer]

Compare him to the bowler he was against australia in 2013. Completely different bowler!

Don't  think he's a completely different bowler just a bit quicker

[Seniorplayer]

Where has Woakes' improvement been on display? His only noteworthy Test appearances where gimme wickets against Sri Lanka and Pakistan on raging green tops. Against stronger opposition Woakes is still the same buffet bowler

What tends to happen is a player as a couple of decent games against poor opposition and there failures against guality  teams tend to become a distant memory

[rickjames]

Hales back in as expected.

Looking at that XI you take out Finn for Willey and that's probably our Champions Trophy side

[Seniorplayer]

Roy out.