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[Manormanic]

Impressive that you should travel all the way down from Yorkshire just to tick him off your list!

When you assume...

I haven't lived in Yorkshire for twenty years.  Lords is actually my local first class ground (if you discount Uxbridge)

[ppccopener]

When you assume...

I haven't lived in Yorkshire for twenty years.  Lords is actually my local first class ground (if you discount Uxbridge)

it never leaves you thou Manor I would guess does it?. I play with a Yorkshireman and it's like nothing else in the world exists apart from Yorkshire. The only glimmer of non bias I got in the last 30 years was the Truman v Anderson who is best conversation over a pint.

''oh....eye....Fred was good, he really was, Jimmy the best at what he does''......  Truman was quicker, Jimmy moves it more.....'can't split them'




 

[Manormanic]

it never leaves you thou Manor I would guess does it?. I play with a Yorkshireman and it's like nothing else in the world exists apart from Yorkshire. The only glimmer of non bias I got in the last 30 years was the Truman v Anderson who is best conversation over a pint.

''oh....eye....Fred was good, he really was, Jimmy the best at what he does''......  Truman was quicker, Jimmy moves it more.....'can't split them'

Never leaves you - as long as you don't have to spend too much time there!

But your friend is clearly neither a true Yorkshireman nor a man who knows the first thing about cricket.  Trueman was an all time great - in with a great shout of making an all time world XI - whereas Anderson would be no better than 50/50 to make an all time England squad. 

[SOULMAN1012]

Never leaves you - as long as you don't have to spend too much time there!

But your friend is clearly neither a true Yorkshireman nor a man who knows the first thing about cricket.  Trueman was an all time great - in with a great shout of making an all time world XI - whereas Anderson would be no better than 50/50 to make an all time England squad.

Trueman was indeed an all time great but I have a feeling we will not realise how good Anderson is until he is no longer playing test cricket. For me he would certainly make an all time English test side espicially in home conditions and although I'm no statto I do believe in most countries he has played more than 1 series in his figures are pretty good.

As for the test side and some comments in this thread I do not believe Butler warrents a test spot either as the glove man or batsmen at the moment, his first class matches in the last couple of years are basically nothing. Bairstow is by far the nailed on keeper and at test level the better batsmen in my opinion. Cook must open for as long as he plays international cricket and his partner well Hameed looks a cut above Jennings in my view and a ready made replacement for cook in style and temperament which is what we need as we have more power/dynamic players than most other countries. Bowling wise we need to find a quality spinner but quite who I'm not sure apart from that it kind of picks itself the rest of the side

[Seniorplayer]

I think Root goes back to 4 and Jennings slots in at 3, captains orders. And for the love of God don't move Ali back down to 8, doesn't deserve it.

Probably is he's failed higher up and done reasonablly well at 8.

[Seniorplayer]

I'm sorry, but 2 spinners has got to be the the way forward.
Ali and Rashid!

I accept that Ali needn't necessarily bat at 5.

Yes if  the pitch is  a 5 dayer going to spin and you bat first.

[Alvaro]

Probably is he's failed higher up and done reasonablly well at 8.

He scored two Test hundreds in India. And one at 7 last summer. More than Vince, cook, Hales, Buttler, Ballance in the same period. But do keep the narrative going.

[Manormanic]

Trueman was indeed an all time great but I have a feeling we will not realise how good Anderson is until he is no longer playing test cricket. For me he would certainly make an all time English test side espicially in home conditions and although I'm no statto I do believe in most countries he has played more than 1 series in his figures are pretty good.

Oh, I agree that Anderson is an exceptional bowler, but Trueman was the greatest English quick of all time.  In terms of an all time side (well, a post WW2 side, because I think its close to impossible to compare when there is not even newsreel footage of players) I reckon Anderson would be close, but far from guaranteed.

[Alvaro]

How many away Tests did Trueman play?

[ppccopener]

How many away Tests did Trueman play?

not going to question stats (or much else) with you Alvaro but I believe the correct answer to that is of his 67 test matches 20 were away.

 

[northernboy1987]

The comparisons between Trueman and Anderson are pointless as there's no way of ever getting a fair comparison. For example it seems entirely plausible that Anderson would have wreaked absolute havoc on those old uncovered wickets that Trueman bowled on therefore perhaps, had Anderson been playing in the 50's and 60's with exactly the same skills as he has today he would have been revered in the same way as Trueman. Also, and I'm not seriously suggesting this would be the case but just to play devil's advocate, who's to say that on today's flatter, tamer pitches Trueman wouldn't have ended up a talented nearly man a'la Steven Finn.

[ppccopener]

The comparisons between Trueman and Anderson are pointless as there's no way of ever getting a fair comparison. For example it seems entirely plausible that Anderson would have wreaked absolute havoc on those old uncovered wickets that Trueman bowled on therefore perhaps, had Anderson been playing in the 50's and 60's with exactly the same skills as he has today he would have been revered in the same way as Trueman. Also, and I'm not seriously suggesting this would be the case but just to play devil's advocate, who's to say that on today's flatter, tamer pitches Trueman wouldn't have ended up a talented nearly man a'la Steven Finn.

absolutely......it's fun thou over a drink to compare who is the best, God knows ive spent most of my social cricket career talking about it (saddo)

I did choke on my chips thou @Manormanic suggesting Jimmy would not even make an alltime England eleven    I think he has slightly changed his view in later posts-top man Manor

One thing lots of us might agree on thou.....we might not reliase just how good he is until he stops playing...Broad and Anderson have been our spearheads for so long-no one else really comes close in recent times.

You could say Swann...and I for one would agree......look at what we are trying to replace Swanny with now....not much is it?

 

[Bats_Entertainment]

I read somewhere that Fred Trueman's pre-match warm-up was jumping up and down a couple of times in the changing rooms.

[Bats_Entertainment]

Yes if  the pitch is  a 5 dayer going to spin and you bat first.

Erm, you pick your side before the toss? Ali is playing as batting all-rounder.

[Manormanic]

All time? In my view, assuming four seamers and post WW2, you have two certs - Trueman and Botham - after which you have a pool of about seven or eight contenders from whom it comes down to what you like. Anderson, Statham, Willis, Broad, Flintoff, Hoggard, Harmison, possibly Side bottom for variety.  Anderson is probably the most skillful of those, but he is also the most similar to the two certs.