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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #210 on: June 30, 2017, 08:59:49 AM »

For me your most technically correct bat, bats at 3 and your best bat bats at 4.

It's a good point but wouldn't your technically correct players be your openers  giving you 3 opening batsman at 1 2 3 ideal if one gets out early against the new ball.
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #211 on: June 30, 2017, 09:00:33 AM »

To be honest if you were expecting anything else on a forum full of club cricketers then you may be disappointed.

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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #212 on: June 30, 2017, 09:02:28 AM »

Nonsense club cricket talk.

Not if you listen to the ex pro commentators
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #213 on: June 30, 2017, 09:04:37 AM »

It's a good point but wouldn't your technically correct players be your openers  giving you 3 opening batsman at 1 2 3 ideal if one gets out early against the new ball.

I think in recent times we have seen that 1 opener doesn't need to be technically perfect if they are aggressive making a good opening partnership to compliment each other. Eg. Warner and Rogers and to a certain extent Strauss and Cook.

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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #214 on: June 30, 2017, 09:12:44 AM »

I think in recent times we have seen that 1 opener doesn't need to be technically perfect if they are aggressive making a good opening partnership to compliment each other. Eg. Warner and Rogers and to a certain extent Strauss and Cook.

I think that technique and tenacity/mental application (highly desirable in a test opener imo) are two different things though, Cook doesn't have the world's greatest technique for example but he is unbelievably tenacious and focused.
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #215 on: June 30, 2017, 09:15:28 AM »

If you can name me some examples of when this has been the case I'm all ears.

Joe Root is the best batsman and has the best technique. Technique is not just for show. It is the means by which you become a better batsman.
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #216 on: June 30, 2017, 09:27:30 AM »

I am disappointed.
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #217 on: June 30, 2017, 10:24:48 AM »

At what point did anyone say he didn't?


About 2013/14 .
Not having a go , i really liked him , and he was a very good bat . I also felt for him during that tour and since . But , when you bat at 3 against 150kmph short stuff , perhaps walking towards the bowler as far he did , as your trigger movement , could be described as poor technique.
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #218 on: June 30, 2017, 10:36:29 PM »

TMS reckoning Ballance and Dawson in the squad, TRJ likely to be in the first 11.
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #219 on: June 30, 2017, 10:51:32 PM »

No Stoneman no party. Looks like we're going to have a lovely long tail throughout the summer. Taps aff for Gazza though.


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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #220 on: July 01, 2017, 06:19:40 AM »

Yep Gaz  back in at 3....Root back to his favourite no 4 spot maybe the Guardian says.

Captains pick or fully deserved recall?

He has certainly got a lot in the championship this year
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #221 on: July 01, 2017, 06:47:48 AM »

Team for first test

Cook
Jennings
Ballance (earned his recall but I wouldn't pick him personally)
Roooooooot
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Dawson
Broad
Anderson
Wood

Personally I would have picked Westley over Balance.
The problem is that all the quicks have injury issues which isn't ideal. Toby Roland jones in the squad as well.
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #222 on: July 01, 2017, 08:21:17 AM »

Whilst I've no issue with him at 5, Ballance at 3 is a going to be painful to watch. Don't see why Dawson is there either, unless they're actually serious about having Moeen as a batsman and keeping him up the order for once.

Still baffled how Stoneman hasn't been selected, it just doesn't make sense.
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #223 on: July 01, 2017, 08:21:50 AM »

Somewhat conservative selection I feel,especially ib the spin bowling department.

Liam Dawson first class bowling stats:

MAT   Inns   Balls   Runs   Wkts
125   144   10853   5567   151
 
BBI           BBM   Ave          Econ   SR
7/51   8/129   36.86   3.07   71.8
 
4w   5w   10       
4   3   0   

Moeeeen:


MAT   Inns   Balls   Runs   Wkts
165      18128   10808   258
 
BBI           BBM.       Ave.    Econ   SR
6/29   12/96   41.89   3.57   70.2
 
4w   5w   10       
6   7   1
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Re: 2017 England Test Side
« Reply #224 on: July 01, 2017, 08:57:32 AM »

I know some may disagree but I'm glad to see Gazza Ballance back, I'm not sure why Dawson is there over Rashid though, how many times do they need to knock that lads confidence when it's clear from his paat performances in ODI and some of his recent Test matches that he is ten times better when he feels he has the backing of his skipper etc. England will never get the best out of him.
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