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[Vitas Cricket]

Every warner replica I have seen has been labelled SSH.

Yes a mm here or there doesn't really matter, but this bat is visibly narrower than many harrows. I would rather have a bat as wide as possible so that on a very basic level i am covering up as much of the stumps as possible.

[InternalTraining]

Every warner replica I have seen has been labelled SSH.

Yes a mm here or there doesn't really matter, but this bat is visibly narrower than many harrows. I would rather have a bat as wide as possible so that on a very basic level i am covering up as much of the stumps as possible.

SH.
https://gray-nicolls.com.au/collections/kaboom

SH.
https://www.meulemans.com.au/products/cricket-bats/gray-nicolls-kaboom-warner-replica-bat/

SH.
https://www.kingsgrovesports.com.au/gray-nicolls-kaboom-players-edition-dw-bat-2017-18.html

Maybe the 2017-18 ones are the proper SH length bats?

There are couple of newly made replicas by SK on their way to their owners. I will ask them to check length as well. These bats were made in last 2 to 3 months.

[Ajdal]

I checked the width of the blades of the 3 match bats I have. CA 15000(107-108mm), 50+(105mm), XP80(105mm).

[Righthand]

I am really glad people are defending CA's here. I have read so much nonsense about them on this forum you would think they are a rubbish brand. The blade is a bit shorter but so what? CA performance is ridiculous. For me they have been very durable- and this is the case for my friends' CA's as well. I don't understand where this notion of them not being durable or the handles are bad is coming from? Also why not just knock your bat anyway? Isn't that a common sense thing?
Anyway I hope your new CA goes well for you. Please let us know. Also pics? 

[edge]

I am really glad people are defending CA's here. I have read so much nonsense about them on this forum you would think they are a rubbish brand. The blade is a bit shorter but so what? CA performance is ridiculous. For me they have been very durable- and this is the case for my friends' CA's as well. I don't understand where this notion of them not being durable or the handles are bad is coming from? Also why not just knock your bat anyway? Isn't that a common sense thing?
Anyway I hope your new CA goes well for you. Please let us know. Also pics?

Can't speak personally on whatever quality issues, but if I ordered a SH bat from anyone and it came in an inch shorter and a lot narrower than full width, it'd be going back sharpish! Even people who love the bats must be able to see that it'd be pretty annoying? If you're a shorter chap and don't mind basically buying a big Harrow because that suits you, happy days, go shopping for a CA. If you're not, couldn't even consider them. Just imagine if a bat manufacturer made LB/LH bats and advertised them as SH, you liked the look of them and snapped one up, then it arrived much larger than advertised - you'd be miffed.

[sarg]

Never reviewed a CA....yet.

The width reduction is just so they get a volume discount when posting. 

In all seriousness I have many players who swear by them and I am aware of the height issues, drying etc. etc.

Since Newbery was mentioned I personally really hope the asian made Newbery bats #cough SF STANFORD ## don't also come with customary width reductions to save weight or make the edges look bigger. 

[Biggie Smalls]

Can you get a "Harrow" in 2-11 weight? I paid "SH" size prices for my custom size-6 bats. Customers pay prices what they deem appropriate for the product or buy something else.

Regarding weight, my first Lavers arrived 2 ounces heavier than ordered. This is Laver & Wood, the brand that can't do no wrong these days! 6 ounces difference is scary, I agree. It is possible for a "natural product" to absorb moisture, correct? As I said in my original post, my last two CAs were on the dot for weight.

Fair enough.

I will widen the range of this discussion so it doesn't sound like you are beating down on CA and I am defending it.

I have a closet full of bats that have the correct SH specs - correct length, blade width, great handle, etc. And, they are also performance free. What do I do with that spec perfection? If I am middling my shots, what does it matter that my bat width is narrow my 2-5 mm? You are in the biz, and you know full well that some reputable bat makers narrow the width of the bats near shoulders to put more meat in the blade. There is a tapering that goes on. I suspect bat makers do whatever they can to enhance the performance of the bat.

Also, none of my SH bats are held at the length in fact 3 to 4 inches below the top of the handle. The size SH is an abomination if you ask me. What is the rhyme and reason behind the "SH" size? For tall guys like Alex Hales, Ali Cook, et-al, the SH might be fine but it doesn't work for short guys like myself. In fact, proportionally, tall guys if using SH or LH bat, are still using a short bat when compared to short people in 5-6'' to 5-8'' range using an SH bat. If producing a shorter bat improves the performance of a bat for the player, thank god for that! Nobody I know complains about the "short" CA, they don't even notice it. Same with width.

I just measured my XP-80 against my Warner replica, both made by Stuart Kranzbuhler. Guess what? Warner replica is a good 1/2'' to 3/4'' shorter than my XP-80 (standard SH length). Stuart Kranzbuhler has clearly cheated me since there is no mention of that length difference anywhere.

I said this before, and I say it again: bat sizes, as we use them now, are wrong! SH bat size is wrong! It is not for short people and it messes up their game and they have to adjust their natural swing for a bat that is too big for them. Harrow, size-6 bats are not made in right weights for adults. Now, THERE is a market to exploit and discussion to have.

@InternalTraining ....... you da man !

[Righthand]

Can't speak personally on whatever quality issues, but if I ordered a SH bat from anyone and it came in an inch shorter and a lot narrower than full width, it'd be going back sharpish! Even people who love the bats must be able to see that it'd be pretty annoying? If you're a shorter chap and don't mind basically buying a big Harrow because that suits you, happy days, go shopping for a CA. If you're not, couldn't even consider them. Just imagine if a bat manufacturer made LB/LH bats and advertised them as SH, you liked the look of them and snapped one up, then it arrived much larger than advertised - you'd be miffed.

An inch shorter and narrower? So i have heard CAs have an issue with length, not width. Guess what though, all 3 of the CAs I have used are the same length as standard size Newbery and GN. Also the performance is way better

[Righthand]

Can you get a "Harrow" in 2-11 weight? I paid "SH" size prices for my custom size-6 bats. Customers pay prices what they deem appropriate for the product or buy something else.

Regarding weight, my first Lavers arrived 2 ounces heavier than ordered. This is Laver & Wood, the brand that can't do no wrong these days! 6 ounces difference is scary, I agree. It is possible for a "natural product" to absorb moisture, correct? As I said in my original post, my last two CAs were on the dot for weight.

Fair enough.

I will widen the range of this discussion so it doesn't sound like you are beating down on CA and I am defending it.



I have a closet full of bats that have the correct SH specs - correct length, blade width, great handle, etc. And, they are also performance free. What do I do with that spec perfection? If I am middling my shots, what does it matter that my bat width is narrow my 2-5 mm? You are in the biz, and you know full well that some reputable bat makers narrow the width of the bats near shoulders to put more meat in the blade. There is a tapering that goes on. I suspect bat makers do whatever they can to enhance the performance of the bat.

Also, none of my SH bats are held at the length in fact 3 to 4 inches below the top of the handle. The size SH is an abomination if you ask me. What is the rhyme and reason behind the "SH" size? For tall guys like Alex Hales, Ali Cook, et-al, the SH might be fine but it doesn't work for short guys like myself. In fact, proportionally, tall guys if using SH or LH bat, are still using a short bat when compared to short people in 5-6'' to 5-8'' range using an SH bat. If producing a shorter bat improves the performance of a bat for the player, thank god for that! Nobody I know complains about the "short" CA, they don't even notice it. Same with width.

I just measured my XP-80 against my Warner replica, both made by Stuart Kranzbuhler. Guess what? Warner replica is a good 1/2'' to 3/4'' shorter than my XP-80 (standard SH length). Stuart Kranzbuhler has clearly cheated me since there is no mention of that length difference anywhere.

I said this before, and I say it again: bat sizes, as we use them now, are wrong! SH bat size is wrong! It is not for short people and it messes up their game and they have to adjust their natural swing for a bat that is too big for them. Harrow, size-6 bats are not made in right weights for adults. Now, THERE is a market to exploit and discussion to have.

Indeed this is a great post. I wonder if players even realise a bat is a couple of mm shorter unless they measure.

[Shinpathy]

Just checked my CA 7 star players edition
The width is 108mm and length is the same as most of my other SH bats except a couple of warners and the NB 1080LE which has a longer blade than all my other bats but is still labelled SH.

Can't complain about the quality of CA with my only experience being this one I have which I must say is stunning. It was labelled 2.9lbs but i just checked the weight and it was 2.9lb 85oz after 2 coats of oil which has been the norm with most of my bats having gained a bit of weight over this winter.
The specs are really pretty fantastic with the edges being around 45mm after rounding it off it was about 47mm when it was in the packaging. The concaving is pretty mild similar to halestorms Ive seen, the profile is a mid to highish standard one with exceptional ping across the blade except for the very lower portion of the blade and pings even above a bit of the stickers.
The handle is a very thick round grip standard in length. It comes with a factory toeguard fitted by CA.

I find CA do adhere to the grading of willows a lot better than a lot of other brands which I have in terms of grains... Mine is a 17 grain sapwood beauty and from the few others I've seen they are all beauties too.

Speaking of which bats gaining weight , from a fee Ive just checked the worst ones in terms of weight gain has been my laver and wood which came in just below 2.lb 11 oz to now being 2lb 11.7 oz with a single chevron grip, scuff sheet and toeguard.

Another is my xp70 which seems to have gained a fair bit of weight too :/

[Righthand]

Just checked my CA 7 star players edition
The width is 108mm and length is the same as most of my other SH bats except a couple of warners and the NB 1080LE which has a longer blade than all my other bats but is still labelled SH.

Can't complain about the quality of CA with my only experience being this one I have which I must say is stunning. It was labelled 2.9lbs but i just checked the weight and it was 2.9lb 85oz after 2 coats of oil which has been the norm with most of my bats having gained a bit of weight over this winter.
The specs are really pretty fantastic with the edges being around 45mm after rounding it off it was about 47mm when it was in the packaging. The concaving is pretty mild similar to halestorms Ive seen, the profile is a mid to highish standard one with exceptional ping across the blade except for the very lower portion of the blade and pings even above a bit of the stickers.
The handle is a very thick round grip standard in length. It comes with a factory toeguard fitted by CA.

I find CA do adhere to the grading of willows a lot better than a lot of other brands which I have in terms of grains... Mine is a 17 grain sapwood beauty and from the few others I've seen they are all beauties too.

Speaking of which bats gaining weight , from a fee Ive just checked the worst ones in terms of weight gain has been my laver and wood which came in just below 2.lb 11 oz to now being 2lb 11.7 oz with a single chevron grip, scuff sheet and toeguard.

Another is my xp70 which seems to have gained a fair bit of weight too :/

Good to hear the players edition is serving you well. My 7 star is labelled 2.6 and weighs 2.65. The performance is ridiculously good with the bat pinging at the stickers as well. The pickup as the weight suggests is just something else. The bat is an absolute gem! As I mentioned previously the performance of CAs are exceptional.

In terms of weight gain. I ordered an H4L monster from one of the retailers on this forum. He claims the bat was 3lbs when it was with him. I weighed it when it reached Canada- 3.28. Either he was full of (No Swearing Please) or the bat somehow gained that much weight.

[ljriley90]

Morning fellas,

CA 10000 turned up yesterday. Asked for 2.8 defeinitely feels 2.8 - I don't have digital scales to confirm but compared to my Aldred I'd say it's definitely a good 3 or 4 ounces lighter. An extra grip should bring it up to optimum weight.

I count 11 grains, all pretty straight. Bit of heartwood on my inside edge (I'm left handed) which I'm happy about because I do play to leg a lot - will be sure to give it a bit of extra oiling there.

In terms of comparison to length I'd say they are pretty much exact. Width for the CA is 106mm, for the Aldred 108mm. So some of you might have a better idea if that means the CA is Harrow size base don that? For me personally I really doubt the difference in width will register one iota when I'm batting.

I love the pick up, feels really balanced with mid-middle which is what I'm after as an opening bat.

Sorry for being so negligent but I cant seem to upload photos if anyone has the instructions for that ill get some photos up

[adb club cricketer]

Since Newbery was mentioned I personally really hope the asian made Newbery bats #cough SF STANFORD ## don't also come with customary width reductions to save weight or make the edges look bigger.

The lower Ind made Newbery's are made by SF? If that is the case, I think it is a good thing as SF seem to be producing good bats..

[Righthand]

Morning fellas,

CA 10000 turned up yesterday. Asked for 2.8 defeinitely feels 2.8 - I don't have digital scales to confirm but compared to my Aldred I'd say it's definitely a good 3 or 4 ounces lighter. An extra grip should bring it up to optimum weight.

I count 11 grains, all pretty straight. Bit of heartwood on my inside edge (I'm left handed) which I'm happy about because I do play to leg a lot - will be sure to give it a bit of extra oiling there.

In terms of comparison to length I'd say they are pretty much exact. Width for the CA is 106mm, for the Aldred 108mm. So some of you might have a better idea if that means the CA is Harrow size base don that? For me personally I really doubt the difference in width will register one iota when I'm batting.

I love the pick up, feels really balanced with mid-middle which is what I'm after as an opening bat.

Sorry for being so negligent but I cant seem to upload photos if anyone has the instructions for that ill get some photos up

Let us know how it performs in the nets? Also i think you could upload to Photobucket? Not sure on how to upload myself.

[KW9221]

If you are using your phone to take pictures, install Photobucket app and create an account. You can upload pictures on that app and when you click on the i icon all the way on the left of your screen, Click on the bottom link and copy and paste it on your post. It should display the picture. Just like I have posted this following picture.