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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #315 on: July 17, 2017, 05:46:41 PM »

Stoneman has to come in, Malan is a decent outside vet, livingstone not sure but did excel with the lions, robson might be a good shout, or even nick Browne from essex
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« Reply #316 on: July 17, 2017, 05:48:22 PM »

Livingstone looked way out his depth to me in the t20s. I'd get Stoneman and Malan in for Jennings and Ballance-cant see Ballance succeeding when he plays from behind the crease like it's French cricket!

He did, but then does the fact he averages under 20 in t20 suggest that perhaps he just hasn't nailed down in limited overs cricket in general yet (despite being a fairly aggressive batsman) compared to FC cricket.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #317 on: July 17, 2017, 10:29:55 PM »

THE SELECTORS HAVE KIND OF SEEN THE LIGHT http://bit.ly/2uCeeyS

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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #318 on: July 17, 2017, 10:38:17 PM »

THE SELECTORS HAVE KIND OF SEEN THE LIGHT http://bit.ly/2uCeeyS

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But Ballance keeps his place if fit  :(.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #319 on: July 18, 2017, 02:14:53 AM »

Keaton Jennings needs to go ASAP, he's like a walking wicket right now.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #320 on: July 18, 2017, 05:47:02 AM »

I would be surprised if Ballance (if fit) and probably Jennings don't get the whole series. That's what England do these days.

Not saying I agree with it just what i reckon will happen.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #321 on: July 18, 2017, 06:47:21 AM »

Jake ball to replace Mark wood? I'd rather have wood than ball!
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #322 on: July 18, 2017, 07:21:14 AM »

I would be surprised if Ballance (if fit) and probably Jennings don't get the whole series. That's what England do these days.

Not saying I agree with it just what i reckon will happen.

Looks like Stoneman in for the oval picking a genuine opener has got to be the way forward, Jennings 3(not convinced myself) but he needs a decent run until Hameed returns(hopefully)

Having two spinners apparently because mo does not want to be number 1 has confused everything ...Dawson tipped for the drop now so that policy scrapped it seems if stoneman comes in for Dawson.

Nasser slammed the selectors last night and he has a point.bayliss needs to wake up and stop shrugging his shoulders.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #323 on: July 18, 2017, 07:48:58 AM »

At some point the coaching staff has to come into question too, they're clearly a talented bunch of players so why are they so prone to capitulation in the face of adversity? They need the coaches to strengthen their resolve, at international level there's only so much technical work the coaches can do (the players are clearly good enough to have got this far) so why aren't they helping improve the mental side of the game? This is where having Ramps as batting coach makes very little sense, his technique and ability were top drawer but he lost it mentally at the top level, they need someone like Collingwood in there, yeah his technique wasn't great but he had the mental capacity to get the best out of what he had and the grit to take it to the opposition, that's what the current team needs to learn, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali etc. are obviously very good players and will score you hatfuls of runs when they're on top but when the going gets tough there's only really Cook and to a lesser extent Root capable of battling through.

On a selection note if Stoneman is coming in then my XI would be:

Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Wood
Anderson
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #324 on: July 18, 2017, 07:59:46 AM »

With the return of Duplesis  we  have seen a different SA he should take some credit for the turnaround did think though having men on the boundary and only 2 slips  England  5 wickets down needing  nearly 300 to win was poor Captaincy.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #325 on: July 18, 2017, 08:03:15 AM »

At some point the coaching staff has to come into question too, they're clearly a talented bunch of players so why are they so prone to capitulation in the face of adversity? They need the coaches to strengthen their resolve, at international level there's only so much technical work the coaches can do (the players are clearly good enough to have got this far) so why aren't they helping improve the mental side of the game? This is where having Ramps as batting coach makes very little sense, his technique and ability were top drawer but he lost it mentally at the top level, they need someone like Collingwood in there, yeah his technique wasn't great but he had the mental capacity to get the best out of what he had and the grit to take it to the opposition, that's what the current team needs to learn, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali etc. are obviously very good players and will score you hatfuls of runs when they're on top but when the going gets tough there's only really Cook and to a lesser extent Root capable of battling through.

On a selection note if Stoneman is coming in then my XI would be:

Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Wood
Anderson

This is a very good post, despite the posters obvious handicap of being Northern.

A little bit of grit injected into the coaching staff might be what is needed, we can't bat like 'Champagne Charlies' every test.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #326 on: July 18, 2017, 08:19:58 AM »

This is a very good post, despite the posters obvious handicap of being Northern.

A little bit of grit injected into the coaching staff might be what is needed, we can't bat like 'Champagne Charlies' every test.

I got as far south as Chester for a day at the races over the weekend, Southern air must have affected my thinking. Anyways I'm off to drink a pint of gravy before a day down the mine.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #327 on: July 18, 2017, 08:22:10 AM »

I think Jennings and Wood are really struggling to keep their place. Ballance has probably done enough to keep his place till the end of the series, he's had three starts, just not kicked on. I would much rather see him at 4 or 5, moving Root up to 3 and perhaps Bairstow 4.

Stoneman in for Jennings and a bowler with a bit more to offer in for Wood.

Then there's the question of Dawson, and whether he is struggling or just needs time to settle in to international cricket. For me, I think we keep him in until Woakes is fit and then review how he's done.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #328 on: July 18, 2017, 09:10:57 AM »

At some point the coaching staff has to come into question too, they're clearly a talented bunch of players so why are they so prone to capitulation in the face of adversity? They need the coaches to strengthen their resolve, at international level there's only so much technical work the coaches can do (the players are clearly good enough to have got this far) so why aren't they helping improve the mental side of the game? This is where having Ramps as batting coach makes very little sense, his technique and ability were top drawer but he lost it mentally at the top level, they need someone like Collingwood in there, yeah his technique wasn't great but he had the mental capacity to get the best out of what he had and the grit to take it to the opposition, that's what the current team needs to learn, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali etc. are obviously very good players and will score you hatfuls of runs when they're on top but when the going gets tough there's only really Cook and to a lesser extent Root capable of battling through.

On a selection note if Stoneman is coming in then my XI would be:

Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Wood
Anderson



This is why , as an aussie id like to see guys like chris rogers as a batting coach . Gritty , mentally tough batsmen ,who made the most of limted talent , are the best batting coaches .
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #329 on: July 18, 2017, 09:29:55 AM »

Stoneman is the new Jennings.
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