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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #360 on: July 20, 2017, 07:11:47 AM »

I'm always a bit surprised reading these posts that England supporters (and I am one) are so shocked that we struggled in the last test. In truth we have been struggling for a while now. We have a world class opening batsman in Cook, we have a world class number 4 in Root, we have a world class number 6 in Stokes, we have two good all rounders in Bairstow/Ali and we have two world class opening bowlers in 'home' matches in Broad and Anderson. The problem areas are pretty obvious:

1. No successful partner for Cook.
2. We need a number 3.
3. We need a number 5.
4. We need a third seamer.
5. We need to find a top spinner or we just have Ali + Root or Westely or Patel or a batsman who bowls spin.

Do we really need to play 2 spinners in England? How many times have 2 spinners (who were English) ripped through the opposition here? Swann was an absolute 'worldy' and a one off for us. If we can't find two top class spinners then for the love of God don't try!!! Play another batsman or play a good seamer (we are in England after all).

I'm also a bit surprised that nobody is suggesting playing a wicket keeper batsman like Foakes and batting Bairstow bat at 5?

Just thinking outside the box here and this is controversial but part of me thinks that we would be better identifying 30 English qualified cricketers and in some way rotating them around the formats. Does Root really need to play T20's for England, can Ben Stokes and Mo Ali play all formats all the time? Lets identify the best 30 cricketers across all formats for the next 5 years and give them some exposure to international cricket. Reality check - we have never won a major 50 over competition, we have never dominated test cricket since the 1950's, we have won 1 T20 world cup and never won the Champions trophy. We are not a highly successful cricketing nation. Something has to change. We have improved in white ball cricket but I've not see a major improvement in tests. If there was a test world championship does anyone think we would really win? 

We have too many professional cricketers and too many non-English qualified players playing. We have too many first class cricket grounds and this isn't sustainable financial in the longer term. Nobody watches domestic county championship cricket, it's not televised often and doesn't excite the public. There is too much meaningless cricket. Sometimes less is more. Why do there need to be 18 first class counties? Why can't we have 8 or 10? I want to see Broad Vs Cook and Wood Vs Root not Wayne Madsen Vs Joe Leach (no disrespect to those). One overseas only in 4 day cricket and 2 overseas in one day cricket. 

Let's be honest with our team and face the fact - we are not that great, are we?



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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #361 on: July 20, 2017, 11:38:38 AM »

Westley and Malan named in the squad with Westley set to bat at 3, potential for Malan to bat at 5 if they decide on playing an extra batsman.

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/440466
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #362 on: July 20, 2017, 11:39:07 AM »

The selectors need sacking. All of them.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #363 on: July 20, 2017, 11:39:55 AM »

Westley is fair enough.

Malan over Stoneman though? Looks unlikely he'll play anyway.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #364 on: July 20, 2017, 11:45:14 AM »

Yeah I feel bad for Stoneman but Westley is probably equally deserving of a shot, I'd rather have another batsman at 5 but I think it'll be a straight swap Ballance for Westley with everyone else as they were.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #365 on: July 20, 2017, 11:49:36 AM »

Westley is fair enough.

Malan over Stoneman though? Looks unlikely he'll play anyway.

My thoughts exactly!!
Stoneman has been quality and should be in there!
Don't mind Westley but why do the selectors seem to insist on looking at these players (Malan) who bat in ODI and think they are the best option to Test cricket??  :(
Malan is a decent player and looks in decent form, but the likes of Stoneman is on fantastic form and surely deserves the nod?
Anyway, rant over!
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #366 on: July 20, 2017, 11:49:44 AM »

I can only assume they dont think Stoneman is up to international cricket yet
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #367 on: July 20, 2017, 11:50:02 AM »

Blimey...bit surprised but Westley has been scoring runs consistently for a while
I'm half thinking they have a specialist 3 because root won't move from 4?
I could be completely wrong of course!
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #368 on: July 20, 2017, 11:51:55 AM »

I can only assume they dont think Stoneman is up to international cricket yet

A bloke who's averaging 58 odd on an Oval deck where the head coach himself hasn't even watched him. County runs mean squat all nowadays, it's a flawed system.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #369 on: July 20, 2017, 11:52:31 AM »

so the team will be

Cook
Jennings
Westley
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Dawson/Malan (if malan he bats 5 with everyone dropping a place)
Wood/TRJ
Broad
Anderson
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #370 on: July 20, 2017, 11:52:40 AM »

My thoughts exactly!!
Stoneman has been quality and should be in there!
Don't mind Westley but why do the selectors seem to insist on looking at these players (Malan) who bat in ODI and think they are the best option to Test cricket??  :(
Malan is a decent player and looks in decent form, but the likes of Stoneman is on fantastic form and surely deserves the nod?
Anyway, rant over!

Malan is decent but bayliss likes one day players in the test side.our one day cricket has been transformed but is that the right way to select?
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #371 on: July 20, 2017, 11:54:19 AM »

A bloke who's averaging 58 odd on an Oval deck where the head coach himself hasn't even watched him. County runs mean squat all nowadays, it's a flawed system.

I was listening to the sky sports podcast and a few of them were talking about selection and used examples of Vaughan and Trescothick as examples of players who didnt have bucket load of runs (MV averged 30 in CC cricket apparently) but they saw something in them that they could handle playing international cricket.
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #372 on: July 20, 2017, 11:56:15 AM »

Malan is decent but bayliss likes one day players in the test side.our one day cricket has been transformed but is that the right way to select?

It would be the right way to select IF there were no better options available! But I still consider Stoneman a better option.
I actually consider Burns or Robson a better option than Malan in Test cricket if I am honest. But I just hope Malan proves me wrong and scores a biggy!
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #373 on: July 20, 2017, 11:59:01 AM »

Got to feel for Stoneman. Still dont think Jennings is ready yet and he's still getting a shot. What more does the lad have to do
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Re: Eng vs SA test series
« Reply #374 on: July 20, 2017, 12:07:15 PM »

Can only think that both Malan and Westley are going to play which means they didn't want to get rid of Jennings as well as that would have been 3 large changes and would have forced them to admit they were wrong.

This way they can just add the extra batsman at 5 and claim it to be strengthening the batting for this series.
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