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Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« on: August 02, 2017, 08:17:03 PM »

How can we measure ping/rebound of a bat? What are the current standards that bat makers use? Are such standard kept secret from the public? Is there a formula or a calculation that can be done based on bat's weight to determine a Ping/Rebound "number"?
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 08:21:49 PM »

In a simple word no

Sound is no indicator neither
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 08:22:29 PM »

The It's Just Cricket ceiling test, as seen on youtube?
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 08:22:55 PM »

Would it work if you had a cradle to hold the bat horizontal with a knocking in mallet on some sort of pivot that falls onto the bat with something measuring the time between the mallets first hit and the second? Obviously the longer the time between hits the better the 'ping'. Maybe some form of laser timing gates could be used.
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 08:26:24 PM »

Would it work if you had a cradle to hold the bat horizontal with a knocking in mallet on some sort of pivot that falls onto the bat with something measuring the time between the mallets first hit and the second? Obviously the longer the time between hits the better the 'ping'. Maybe some form of laser timing gates could be used.

If there was a perormance Id would they use it

Not a chance because they would never sell anything bat the top performing leaving lots of bats on the shelf

Good opening question though
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 08:29:12 PM »

If you wanted to, you'd basically clamp a bat up and fire balls at it, then see how fast they came off. Baseball has a standard testing procedure in the US: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016PRBB_BBCOR_Protocol_20160901.pdf
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 08:31:40 PM »

Would it work if you had a cradle to hold the bat horizontal with a knocking in mallet on some sort of pivot that falls onto the bat with something measuring the time between the mallets first hit and the second? Obviously the longer the time between hits the better the 'ping'. Maybe some form of laser timing gates could be used.

How about tie the bat vertically, and drop the ball tied to a rope/thread so that it swings and strike that bat on a pre-determine spot (vertically), ball's rebound distance is assigned some number. Best performing bats will rebound the bats farther than duds.
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 08:31:45 PM »

Similar to what howzat mentioned. Keeping the bat stationary horizontally, drop the ball from a certain height and measure the bounce.
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2017, 08:33:42 PM »

How about tie the bat vertically, and drop the ball tied to a rope/thread so that it swings and strike that bat on a pre-determine spot (vertically), ball's rebound distance is assigned some number. Best performing bats will rebound the bats farther than duds.
Yes similar idea. I think the rebound would have to be timed automatically rather than measured manually for any precision.
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2017, 08:34:43 PM »

What about bats maturing some reach there peak different pressing techniques some more ready than others.

I think you could do it through vibrations and inward and outward force quite simple but they wouldn't
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2017, 08:38:44 PM »


Not a chance because they would never sell anything bat the top performing leaving lots of bats on the shelf


There is inherent dishonesty in how bats are marketed and sold.

I think bats should be re-graded for different conditions and not just "aesthetic" (grain based) grading.

Clubbies who play in slow outfields may requires bats that are easier to play aerial shots with. Fast outfields may not require a lot of ping (case in point not so pingy "pro" bats). Bats for fast/bouncy pitches should be graded as such than slow/low pitch bats. Bat grading should be a combination of the different dimensions which would obviate the need for "ping" measurement being relevant.

As things stand now, knowing "ping" number of a bat would save buyers a lot of headache, heartache, and pocket-ache.
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2017, 08:41:18 PM »

What about bats maturing some reach there peak different pressing techniques some more ready than others.

I think you could do it through vibrations and inward and outward force quite simple but they wouldn't

I was thinking about this as well and this would be a very cool way of determining a bat's rebounad-ability (if there is such a word). Like using a sonogram on the bat's surface and see how the surface/bats resonates. They use something similar for classical musical instruments.
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2017, 08:41:31 PM »

If there was a perormance Id would they use it

Not a chance because they would never sell anything bat the top performing leaving lots of bats on the shelf

Good opening question though

Yep, agree with Dave. You could do it scientifically, but would manufacturers tell you how they score? No way. Commercial suicide.
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 08:44:27 PM »

Gents, we are giving up too easily. Where are our scientists? :D
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Re: Measuring Ping/Rebound Of A Bat
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2017, 08:48:45 PM »

Gents, we are giving up too easily. Where are our scientists? :D

Probably curing diseases, not listening to our nonesense  :D

If someone has the time and inclination to set up a rig to test ping, I'd love to see it.
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