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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2017, 09:01:01 AM »

According to the times, Vince will be on the plane, and Craig overton will be there as a replacement for TRJ

the vince selection, if it is correct, would be a massive step back, hes hardly done anything this year worthy of a call up!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2017, 09:21:48 AM »

I was going to ask you about this.

From an Aussie viewpoint what do you think your side will be.

It looks like your top 5 are pretty nailed on (unlike ours!) But the no. 6 spit is very open?

Wade will probably keep the gloves.

Lyon will play, so it will be 3 quicks and fitness depending I would think it would be Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins?


Yep , i think you're right .
The only possible changes are cartwright/ m.marsh for maxwell ( i think maxwell will stay , although cartwright could come in at sydney allowing us to drop a paceman for agar ), and one could make a claim for nevill taking over from wade . Wade has been very poor with the bat since his return whereas nevill has been in good nick .
But , the xl for brisbane will likely be : Renshaw,  warner , khawaja,  smith, handsomb, maxwell, wade, starc, cummins, lyon, hazlewood.
Pretty much settled unless someone has a freakishly good/bad start to the shield season .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2017, 09:36:30 AM »


Yep , i think you're right .
The only possible changes are cartwright/ m.marsh for maxwell ( i think maxwell will stay , although cartwright could come in at sydney allowing us to drop a paceman for agar ), and one could make a claim for nevill taking over from wade . Wade has been very poor with the bat since his return whereas nevill has been in good nick .
But , the xl for brisbane will likely be : Renshaw,  warner , khawaja,  smith, handsomb, maxwell, wade, starc, cummins, lyon, hazlewood.
Pretty much settled unless someone has a freakishly good/bad start to the shield season .



Having said that , the xl's I'd like to see are :

Brisbane: Renshaw,  warner, khawaja, smith, handsomb, maxwell, carey, starc, cummins, lyon, hazlewood
Adelaide : Renshaw,  warner, khawaja, smith, handsomb, maxwell, carey, Pattinson, starc, cummins, hazlewood
Perth : same as Adelaide
Melbourne : same as brisbane
Sydney : Renshaw,  warner , khawaja, smith, handsomb, wade, agar, pattinson, starc,cummins,  lyon,

Basically , brisbane and Melbourne we go with 3 pace/1 spin/1 part time spin attack. Adelaide and perth we go a 4 man pace attack. Sydney we go 2 proper spinners with 3 proper pacers ... we bolster the batting by selecting the 3 pacers who bat best , our (theoretically ) best keeper batsman and a spinner who can bat 7 .
Obviously , most of this would never happen...particularly the selection of carey as keeper . 
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2017, 09:47:05 AM »

From and England XI, it feels like Stoneman has done well enough to get the number 2 slot.
Also Malan, Ballance or Hales may be marked for number 5. But neither Jennings nor Westley have taken their chances in the top order!
I suspect that Hameed will be looked at for number 3 slot next season and going forward. But maybe the selectors are looking at seeing who they think could play there on the types of tracks and bowling in the Ashes?
If they are not taking Westley on the plane, and they are looking for someone with Test experience to bat at 3, then I wouldn't take Vince. He is a class player for Hampshire but averages 19 in the 7 International Tests he has played.
If you are looking to play someone at number 3 who has been on decent form this season then either Robson or Hales could surely bat at 3? Robson has played the same amount of International Tests as Vince but averages over 30 with a 50 and a century to his name! And Hales has opened and averages 27 with 5 50s!
Should be an interesting selection announcement this week anyway!!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2017, 09:54:33 AM »

I find it really interesting that both sides have completely different selection issues.

AUS have a settled top 5 and ours is all over the place.
AUS can't find/decide on a no.6/allrounder and we have enough Allrounders to fill an MPV.
AUS have possible keeper issues and we have one of the best in the world.

It should make for a fascinating series.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2017, 11:02:34 AM »

According to the times, Vince will be on the plane, and Craig overton will be there as a replacement for TRJ

the vince selection, if it is correct, would be a massive step back, hes hardly done anything this year worthy of a call up!

Yes it would  it would  also highlight England's  selection limitations.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #96 on: September 25, 2017, 11:10:11 AM »

Don't really agree with the Hales covers  two bases  idea as Hales  in tests average not good against the quicker bowlers 
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2017, 11:26:21 AM »

Westley just had to leave the field after taking a blow to the thumb.....

Every cricket journo I follow has just jumped all over it
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2017, 11:53:42 AM »

Hales  in tests average not good against the quicker bowlers

He wasn't exactly playing his natural game! I think that was his downfall, if he's have been aggressive up top he'd have been much more successful
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2017, 12:03:28 PM »

Hales may be in with a shout in the number 5 position I reckon with balance and interestingly mentioned above ..James Vince

Not sure if England will go back to balance it looks a close call between a couple of players

I know Westley is in the team now but he hasn't done enough for me...I would play malan at 5

But that leaves the number 3 spot not nailed down ?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #100 on: September 25, 2017, 12:04:03 PM »

He wasn't exactly playing his natural game! I think that was his downfall, if he's have been aggressive up top he'd have been much more successful

Yep  in tests  he looked as if he was unsure to block or hit out.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #101 on: September 25, 2017, 12:06:39 PM »

Westley just had to leave the field after taking a blow to the thumb.....

Every cricket journo I follow has just jumped all over it
The blow to the hand did look pretty bad, but to be fair the main reason he left the field was because he was out! Think that rules him out by the looks of it. Please not Vince though, the Aussie slip cordon will be rubbing their hands already.

Link to Westley clip : https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/912277383016849408
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #102 on: September 25, 2017, 12:14:00 PM »

With regard to the number three spot  guess the Hales covers two bases  thinking ( test and ODI ) leaves room for an extra batsman to tour.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #103 on: September 25, 2017, 05:24:26 PM »

Hales may be in with a shout in the number 5 position I reckon with balance and interestingly mentioned above ..James Vince

Not sure if England will go back to balance it looks a close call between a couple of players

I know Westley is in the team now but he hasn't done enough for me...I would play malan at 5

But that leaves the number 3 spot not nailed down ?

Vaughan has been pushing him too. I’m not sure why other than they share the same management company
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #104 on: September 25, 2017, 06:44:28 PM »

While vince has obviously not done alot in the county championship, I thought he had the ability and just needed to Sort out his shot selection. Easier to sort out than poor technique and lack of ability.

When you look back and dropping Robson, Hales and Compton, i feel We should have stuck with them. They would have scored at least as many runs as their replacements and by now they would be established players. Sometimes i think we are looking for the new Cook / Stokes / Root. Ok to have some average batters who average  late 30's. If there is nothing better available then why keep changing?
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