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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #885 on: November 16, 2017, 08:19:43 PM »

I remember really liking Paine when he burst into the team. He's pretty good! No?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #886 on: November 16, 2017, 08:40:33 PM »

I remember really liking Paine when he burst into the team. He's pretty good! No?

He has 1 1st class ton and 1st class average of 29.  :(
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #887 on: November 16, 2017, 08:42:01 PM »

He has 1 1st class ton and 1st class average of 29.  :(


He's kept in 3 1st class games in the last 2 years ( ironically the same as bancroft , i think ).
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #888 on: November 16, 2017, 09:31:55 PM »

He has 1 1st class ton and 1st class average of 29.  :(

Wait a minute, what happened to the endless depth that team Aus is supposed to have?! I thought Sheilds cricket was second to none when producing top quality Test calibre cricketers. What am I missing here?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #889 on: November 16, 2017, 10:08:15 PM »

Squad announcement - as we expected.

Btw - those laughing about Tim Paine being included obviously haven’t seen him keep much. He’s phenomenal. Haddin didn’t take the gloves on a full time basis till this age. Personally, it’s an excellent call from Australia.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #890 on: November 16, 2017, 10:08:46 PM »

Wait a minute, what happened to the endless depth that team Aus is supposed to have?! I thought Sheilds cricket was second to none when producing top quality Test calibre cricketers. What am I missing here?

It is. They don't pick the best players though. They haven't for years. The two top run scorers for the last two seasons in the Shield have been told they are not required and given early retirement!

In fairness to Tim Paine he is one of the premier short form cricketers in this country and should have been playing test cricket years ago if not for that horrible broken finger.

Nevill better wash that NSW cap. He'll be using it permanently.......and I'd be picking travis head before marsh, without question.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #891 on: November 16, 2017, 10:13:15 PM »

Squad announcement - as we expected.

Btw - those laughing about Tim Paine being included obviously haven’t seen him keep much. He’s phenomenal. Haddin didn’t take the gloves on a full time basis till this age. Personally, it’s an excellent call from Australia.

Haddin had the added bonus of being able to hit a ball with a stick into gaps as well as being a backstop.

Brett Geeves has nailed it here https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/geeves-the-decision-to-recall-shaun-marsh-for-the-ashes-stinks-to-high-heaven/news-story/f01978306ca566ea39c1d62e40098a73
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #892 on: November 16, 2017, 10:13:24 PM »

And Chadd Sayers is finally in the national squad again. YES! Finally!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #893 on: November 16, 2017, 10:37:20 PM »

Wait a minute, what happened to the endless depth that team Aus is supposed to have?! I thought Sheilds cricket was second to none when producing top quality Test calibre cricketers. What am I missing here?
Pat Howard.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #894 on: November 16, 2017, 10:48:36 PM »

And Chadd Sayers is finally in the national squad again. YES! Finally!

Who?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #895 on: November 16, 2017, 10:51:12 PM »

I'm of the opinion Tim Paine would have 50 tests and at the very least a vice captaincy under his belt if he hadnt been desperately unlucky with his finger injury. Averages 35 in test cricket, also has an ODI ton, give the guy a break, Wade only takes the gloves for tasmania because he is (was) considered the test incumbent. I for one hope he can get 3 years of a career after having been robbed of many more, good luck lad.

Shaun Marsh is pretty consistantly the stand out and classiest player in sheild cricket, anyone better is already playing for australia, he isnt lucky to be recalled, he was unlucky to be dropped for the bangladesh tour in the first place. Have to feel for Renshaw, just lost form while Bancroft was finding his, bad timing for the lad.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #896 on: November 16, 2017, 11:14:57 PM »

I wish someone loved me as much as the Australian selectors love Shaun Marsh
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #897 on: November 16, 2017, 11:47:44 PM »

I saw Tim Payne bat years back and yes looked good back then, and highly rated as a keeper before a bad injury.

But looking at his stats there's no case for a recall that makes any sense. He does not score enough runs and the stats show that in first class cricket. You could well argue he should of been playing a few years ago but selection is about now...if your picking a keeper only and forgetting about batting(!) we could of had the same dilemma with James foster and Chris read- both head and shoulders above anyone else but not enough batting wise to get picked over say Matt prior and now bairstow.

It the Shaun marsh one that is baffling thou to some over us. If he is 34 and not too old for a recall, then ed Cowan at 35 is too old to be recalled after showing some great form in the last couple of years.

Cowan if I have read correctly even had to make way for a younger player in his state team.

So if you want a younger guy fine, go with that but what's the difference between 34 years old and 35 ?

Someone is going to reply ' a year'  :)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #898 on: November 16, 2017, 11:49:41 PM »

I can live with the Paine selection.... he's as likely , if not more , to score a few runs when compared to wade and nevill in present form . I feel for Carey , but his time will come.
I think marsh has had 8 chances in the test side now...too many times he scores runs when there is no pressure and goes missing when we need him ( hey its 4/40 , where's shaun ? He's in now ! . What , he's left the ground to go lay under a tree ? Oh . ). But , at least he goes into the first test in good form , so hopefully we see the best of him.
Bancroft should be there for sure , but in an ideal world renshaw would be in good enough form , so bancroft could bat at six , and we'd have an established keeper making plenty of runs behind him at 7 .
I really like Sayers in the squad . He needs to play at Adelaide.  Maybe Lyon sits that one out .
I hope the english are getting all confident now . It's going to be a long weeks wait ....I'm looking forward to this .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #899 on: November 16, 2017, 11:53:23 PM »

I saw Tim Payne bat years back and yes looked good back then, and highly rated as a keeper before a bad injury.

But looking at his stats there's no case for a recall that makes any sense. He does not score enough runs and the stats show that in first class cricket. You could well argue he should of been playing a few years ago but selection is about now...if your picking a keeper only and forgetting about batting(!) we could of had the same dilemma with James foster and Chris read- both head and shoulders above anyone else but not enough batting wise to get picked over say Matt prior and now bairstow.

It the Shaun marsh one that is baffling thou to some over us. If he is 34 and not too old for a recall, then ed Cowan at 35 is too old to be recalled after showing some great form in the last couple of years.

Cowan if I have read correctly even had to make way for a younger player in his state team.

So if you want a younger guy fine, go with that but what's the difference between 34 years old and 35 ?

Someone is going to reply ' a year'  :)


Ed cowan for p.m !
He's my favourite player , period .
He'd be in my test side any day of the week .
He has no chance of ever playing tests while d.lehmann is coach. For some reason he hates cowan .
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