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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #960 on: November 21, 2017, 01:35:49 AM »

stokes also on twitter getting involved in the ashes talk. Hearing he’s likely to fly out over the weekend in time for the second test
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #961 on: November 21, 2017, 02:47:24 AM »

Snore, the Australians have been talking a lot of nonsense about this kind of thing, 'opening the scars' and all this. I'm sure Trott/KP/Bell/Prior would be terribly worried about it, if they were playing... Looking forward to seeing Pat Cummins get overexcited and try to bounce Cook out, Australian back injury specialists are warming up the scanners already!


What 'opening the scars' amounts to is 'it been done last time , it worked , it may work this time , we will try it' and i dont see how that can be nonsense . Personally , i think it will work a treat , but if it fails , it was worth a go .
And as for the 'snore' ie you're tired of hearing the same stuff .....well im kinda tired of 'the aussie bowlers wont last a test before breaking down' etc etc. If thats what you need to say to mentally even out  the ledger then you are being desperate (even if its  a likely eventuality it desperate to cling to that for hope). England should hope one of our pace bowlers doesn't go down bringing Sayers into the team .
I'm so glad so many english fans think the aussie bowlers are nothing special /wont go the distance etc etc ..... thats a great way to be set up for a big fall .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #962 on: November 21, 2017, 03:57:34 AM »

What 'opening the scars' amounts to is 'it been done last time , it worked , it may work this time , we will try it' and i dont see how that can be nonsense . Personally , i think it will work a treat , but if it fails , it was worth a go .
And as for the 'snore' ie you're tired of hearing the same stuff .....well im kinda tired of 'the aussie bowlers wont last a test before breaking down' etc etc. If thats what you need to say to mentally even out  the ledger then you are being desperate (even if its  a likely eventuality it desperate to cling to that for hope). England should hope one of our pace bowlers doesn't go down bringing Sayers into the team .
I'm so glad so many english fans think the aussie bowlers are nothing special /wont go the distance etc etc ..... thats a great way to be set up for a big fall .
Nah that's what you've chosen to take it as yourself, not what it actually says ;)

As for the Aussie pace attack, meh. They're a decent attack, but that is what you'd expect in test cricket. No allrounder is a problem for me, who's bowling the extra overs? Looked a lot more threatening with Mitchell Marsh in the side, can't believe Cartwright doesn't seem to be taken seriously?
Hazlewood looks to be the best, but he's not unusually threatening for test level. Bowled better than his career stats in the last Ashes, didn't affect much. Starc - could be a problem if he consistently cleans up the tail. Good yorkers but that doesn't get you hatfuls against the top order in tests. Cummins, lots of hype. From what I've seen in international cricket, decent bowler but haven't seen much outstanding. Still facing third man at point of release by the looks of things so yes, more injuries to come. Just had to look up Sayers, looks very tidy but if English batsmen (other than Vince) can't play that style of bowling we're in real trouble!

Lyon is the key for me, underrated in Oz particularly. If he goes well and gets through a lot of overs, Australia are likely to be on top. If one or two of the England batsmen get on top of him then Australia are in serious trouble trying to find extra overs as Starc/Cummins get slower and less effective. The flatter the pitches are, the more likely an Aussie win. If they do a bit, I'll very happily back England. Other than the obvious players, Dawid Malan could be key.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #963 on: November 21, 2017, 08:10:08 AM »

I think Lyon will bowl extra overs to cover for no allrounder and he'll do well /not get hit out of the attack . India are better players of spin than england and Lyon did well against them the last time they toured oz . Who will take Lyon down anyway ? Only guys i see potentially going ok against him are Root and Bairstow (and Stokes when he arrives). That's not enough to negate Lyon having an impact and getting big overs in .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #964 on: November 21, 2017, 08:16:04 AM »

Matt Prior:

"Last time someone spouted a whole load of BS about me I stayed quiet not this time.To be clear I may have been playing badly fair enough but there was no way I was getting on a plane home. You’ve embarrassed yourself @NathLyon421 & this game has a funny way of biting back."
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #965 on: November 21, 2017, 08:55:33 AM »

Aus are expected to go with Starc, Cummings and Hazelwood plus Lyon.
Now the thing is the group have never played together before and are very injury prone.

If the English batsmen can stay out there for any length of time then we are in with a good shout of the Aussies having big problems...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #966 on: November 21, 2017, 09:57:18 AM »

Aus are expected to go with Starc, Cummings and Hazelwood plus Lyon.
Now the thing is the group have never played together before and are very injury prone.

If the English batsmen can stay out there for any length of time then we are in with a good shout of the Aussies having big problems...


Those four played the 2nd shield game of the season together . Not much , but just saying .
Lyon , Starc and Hazlewood have played plenty of test/shield games together . Cummins has played a couple tests with hazlewood and lyon , and played quite a number of odis with starc and hazlewood.  All in all i think 'the group have never played together before' is a bit off the mark .
Yes starc is a bit injury prone . So is cummins . Hazlewood is coming back from an injury , yes , but is far from injury prone . If hazlewood is injury prone then woakes is injury prone simply because he was injured during the english summer .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #967 on: November 21, 2017, 10:42:14 AM »

Aus are expected to go with Starc, Cummings and Hazelwood plus Lyon.
Now the thing is the group have never played together before and are very injury prone.

If the English batsmen can stay out there for any length of time then we are in with a good shout of the Aussies having big problems...

And thats England problem how many are capable of batting long
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #968 on: November 21, 2017, 10:49:54 AM »


What 'opening the scars' amounts to is 'it been done last time , it worked , it may work this time , we will try it' and i dont see how that can be nonsense . Personally , i think it will work a treat , but if it fails , it was worth a go .
And as for the 'snore' ie you're tired of hearing the same stuff .....well im kinda tired of 'the aussie bowlers wont last a test before breaking down' etc etc. If thats what you need to say to mentally even out  the ledger then you are being desperate (even if its  a likely eventuality it desperate to cling to that for hope). England should hope one of our pace bowlers doesn't go down bringing Sayers into the team .
I'm so glad so many english fans think the aussie bowlers are nothing special /wont go the distance etc etc ..... thats a great way to be set up for a big fall .

Never mind the Aussie bowlers breaking down more concern our guys won't last the series
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #969 on: November 21, 2017, 11:16:42 AM »

Are you a secret Aussie or something @Seniorplayer?

The whole build up to this series has been a bit of a farce IMO - the Aussies spouting their mouths off is just the cherry on top. Their batting line up involves someone who was playing Home Counties Prem a few years ago (and was due to go back in 2018!) yet they still have the balls to call out England's top order?!?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #970 on: November 21, 2017, 11:19:32 AM »



Hahaha
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #971 on: November 21, 2017, 12:22:02 PM »

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #972 on: November 21, 2017, 12:24:38 PM »

Warner blasts Stokes too for getting himself in trouble

Pot kettle black or what?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #973 on: November 21, 2017, 01:16:52 PM »

Are you a secret Aussie or something @Seniorplayer?

The whole build up to this series has been a bit of a farce IMO - the Aussies spouting their mouths off is just the cherry on top. Their batting line up involves someone who was playing Home Counties Prem a few years ago (and was due to go back in 2018!) yet they still have the balls to call out England's top order?!?
Nope  witnessed to many years of getting hammered  as for
The build up  From the Aussies  it is now the norm for them they will pull every  stunt  known to man on and off the field to gain an advantage.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #974 on: November 21, 2017, 01:17:57 PM »

Matt Prior:

"Last time someone spouted a whole load of BS about me I stayed quiet not this time.To be clear I may have been playing badly fair enough but there was no way I was getting on a plane home. You’ve embarrassed yourself @NathLyon421 & this game has a funny way of biting back."

I also like this from Prior on Twitter -

"I sincerely hope you’re not part of a losing @CricketAus team on home soil @NathLyon421. I still remember being sat on the outfield at the SCG after winning 3-1 while your press&fans were tearing into the Oz players. You want to end careers? Just make sure its not yours that ends"

I really am not sure why Lyon brought Prior into it - i don't mind the pre-ashes banter, trying to get in the oppo's head etc.... it is all part of the Ashes build up these days... where i think Lyon has gone a bit loopy is he has brought into it a player who is retired and is basically guessing calling him a coward etc...

I mean for example i have no problems with what Warner said about Stokes because that is just cranking the pressure on something that is basically true, he has let his teammates down.



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