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[ppccopener]

This is trouble for England, Bairstow I think got a warning as he was out with Stokes and Hales that night and the ECB deceided against any curfew on this tour.

If this turns out to be an assault he could well be sent home.

There's plenty on here who I read think the ECB are hopeless, you got to ask yourself thou sometimes what can they do in these situations.

It's lose lose for them, dicipline a player and weaken the side, do nothing and appear weak and ineffective.

[six and out]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-wicketkeeper-jonny-bairstow-headbutted-11589833.amp


Hope Bancroft was wearing his lid if this is true!

If this is true... you have to ask why it is coming out now. It happened 3 weeks ago.

[Biggie Smalls]

If it happened then the precedent is miss 3 tests ala warner ? 

[manno]

This is trouble for England, Bairstow I think got a warning as he was out with Stokes and Hales that night and the ECB deceided against any curfew on this tour.

If this turns out to be an assault he could well be sent home.

There's plenty on here who I read think the ECB are hopeless, you got to ask yourself thou sometimes what can they do in these situations.

It's lose lose for them, dicipline a player and weaken the side, do nothing and appear weak and ineffective.

As if the ECB care about appearing weak and ineffective. The Ashes are far more inportant than "appearing" to care about any standards they/we expect their players should uphold. Winning is all that matters.

[six and out]

If it happened then the precedent is miss 3 tests ala warner ? 

It's started already.... Cricket Australia article on it.... no one actually know's if it's happened or not but apparently Bancroft didn't provoke or retaliate.... so Bairstow just walked up to him and give him a headbutt... FFS please!!

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/jonny-bairstow-cameron-bancroft-headbutt-perth-bar-ben-stokes-culture-australia-england-ashes/2017-11-26

[golders]

Reasons I am v concerned that we (Eng) will get a hammering ie: Aus 4/5 Eng nil point

1.No Stokes
2. Back-up bowlers are dross
3. Lack of pace/variety in our bowling attack.
4. Pitches will be fast and bouncy :suit home side.
4. Aussie bowlers too quick-will blow away tail.
5. Cook having a nightmare series.
6. Batters not converting starts.
7. Ali wacked out of attack.
8. Steve Smith the immovable object.
9. Bairstow banish-ed from tour *

All in all,feeling very positive about the rest of the tour!!


*Subject to the whole thing being dismissed as utter drivel

[Biggie Smalls]

Reasons I am v concerned that we (Eng) will get a hammering ie: Aus 4/5 Eng nil point

1.No Stokes
2. Back-up bowlers are dross
3. Lack of pace/variety in our bowling attack.
4. Pitches will be fast and bouncy :suit home side.
4. Aussie bowlers too quick-will blow away tail.
5. Cook having a nightmare series.
6. Batters not converting starts.
7. Ali wacked out of attack.
8. Steve Smith the immovable object.
9. Bairstow banish-ed from tour *

All in all,feeling very positive about the rest of the tour!!


*Subject to the whole thing being dismissed as utter drivel

1 probably , but who knows
2 woakes could come good ; get wood in the side
3 get wood in the side
4a you will probably win / be well suited to Adelaide
4b yep
5 maybe , but dont write off a champion
6 yep , look no further than the worst culprit - root
7 he'll come good , he showed some real good signs in the 1st inn
8 dont know what else can be said about this one
9 maybe but i can't help think something would already have happened if it was going to.

[Seniorplayer]

When Root  brings himself on  to bowl after 26 overs tells you all you need to know re England's 3rd and 4th seamers bowling on fast track.

[Biggie Smalls]

When Root  brings himself on  to bowl after 26 overs tells you all you need to know re England's 3rd and 4th seamers bowling on fast track.

What personnel changes re bowling attack would you make for 2nd test ?

[six and out]

Wood and interestingly Foakes named in the Lions side to play Queensland on Monday. It's a 3 day game so ends Wednesday. 2nd test starts Saturday I think so does that rule out Wood?

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/520934

[Cow_corner]

Get the Ginger Ninja on a plane, drop Woakes and replace Balls with Wood.

[Seniorplayer]

What personnel changes re bowling attack would you make for 2nd test ?

If it was possible Stokes and Wood in Woakes and Ball out but  as  it is not Overton and Wood in and Wood to bowl four over bursts only.

[golders]

I'm not sure why everyone goes on about Wood as the great white hope,he's not even that quick!

[ppccopener]

Woakes and ball did not bowl very well in this match hence your point Root had to bowl 20 odd overs and he kept going back to anderson and broad as they are our two best.

Overton I can't see changing much on these wicketS, you need dead accurate or pace or spin to trouble anyone.

Adelaide may suit us a bit better and we did play well for some of the match.

But we need runs to defend, nothing we can do about Stokes not being there we have to make he most of it.

If we could I think we would play two spinners, but that could mean even more work for our best seamers.

I think myself we are stuck we it, Woakes needs to make a contribution with the bat we cannot lengthen the tail any more.

I suppose....ballance coming in could be an option. Not going to be popular that suggestion I don't think and we would have to drop a bowler.

I still think myself we can get a result on this tour. All is not lost. 

Wood has pace, on a quick track if he is fit could cause problems, as you say thou it has to be short bursts otherwise he will end up medium pace as well.

[Manormanic]

He bloody well is, used in short bursts. It's his lack of height that might nullify his effectiveness.