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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1425 on: November 29, 2017, 03:15:16 PM »
Quote from: Calzehbhoy on November 29, 2017, 02:39:10 PM
@Hoover @Kippax @hell4leather cricket @The Doctor (apologies if I’ve missed any off the list)Genuine question to yourselves as makers, when you see a pro who is using your bats with a different brands stickers/blank is it a sense of pride or frustration at the industry?

To me, as a consumer of cricket goods I feel the public is often duped by this practice in the cricket industry??
In 2001, the powers to be, contemplated a rule change that only only bona fide makers can label bats, we were so excited ... then they realised the marketing companies were powerful contributors to the industry, so many brands that are not actual makers, and it all got too hard. Money talks. So, when times are tough, sure we get frustrated, and we rely on passion to keep going. But no matter what, there is pride when a customer does well on the big stage and we feel a part of that success. There is really no room for a big ego when you are a genuine, passionate maker.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1426 on: November 29, 2017, 03:19:40 PM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on November 29, 2017, 03:11:02 PM
Think there's a GN link as well

Yes, John Newbery worked for Gray Nicolls. He started his own brand from there.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1427 on: November 29, 2017, 03:22:51 PM »
Quote from: Hoover on November 29, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
In 2001, the powers to be, contemplated a rule change that only only bona fide makers can label bats, we were so excited ... then they realised the marketing companies were powerful contributors to the industry, so many brands that are not actual makers, and it all got too hard. Money talks. So, when times are tough, sure we get frustrated, and we rely on passion to keep going. But no matter what, there is pride when a customer does well on the big stage and we feel a part of that success. There is really no room for a big ego when you are a genuine, passionate maker.

I find it disappointing that the big brands get so much attention on here.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1428 on: November 29, 2017, 03:27:23 PM »
Quote from: justnotcricket86 on November 29, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
Stokes update from Avon Police

https://twitter.com/ASPolice/status/935886626500370432

File has been passed to CPS - they will now decide if there is sufficient evidence to charge.

(No Swearing Please) just got real

Aaaaand that's game over
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1429 on: November 29, 2017, 03:28:24 PM »
Quote from: Calzehbhoy on November 29, 2017, 02:39:10 PM
Genuine question to yourselves as makers, when you see a pro who is using your bats with a different brands stickers/blank is it a sense of pride or frustration at the industry?

To me, as a consumer of cricket goods I feel the public is often duped by this practice in the cricket industry??

Unfortunately always going to be the case, and will become increasingly so as cricket becomes more commercial. Does it bother me, not really, it is just a pat on the back, a well done. I feel an immense pride when I see our bats on the TV. Is it wrong, is it conning the club cricket player that shells out his hard earned cash because he wants a bat like his hero, that's a whole different kettle of fish! This is not restricted to Cricket though but goes across the plethora of sports.

This scenario is close to a cricketer buying a bat off a company whom market that they make their own bats but don't.....

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1430 on: November 29, 2017, 03:39:04 PM »
Quote from: jonny77 on November 29, 2017, 02:42:44 PM
Interesting take on England's/Stokes issue here -

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-england-2017/content/story/1127444.html


Interesting article and I agree with most of it.

And I tell you another thing - if we ever come to the point where people are seeking advice or opinion from Watson, Warner and Smith on any subject other than hitting a ball with a stick then the world is in trouble. A combined IQ of about 40. Maybe there should be a law against public speaking by complete and utter mongs.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1431 on: November 29, 2017, 03:42:00 PM »
Quote from: justnotcricket86 on November 29, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
Stokes update from Avon Police

https://twitter.com/ASPolice/status/935886626500370432

File has been passed to CPS - they will now decide if there is sufficient evidence to charge.

(No Swearing Please) just got real

Seems odd to me that they are seeking charging advice which to me means they have a case but not sure if it’s enough to convict on... at least we should have a clear picture and know what is happening shortly!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1432 on: November 29, 2017, 03:43:00 PM »
Quote from: justnotcricket86 on November 29, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
Stokes update from Avon Police

https://twitter.com/ASPolice/status/935886626500370432

File has been passed to CPS - they will now decide if there is sufficient evidence to charge.

(No Swearing Please) just got real
CPS could take a while to make a decision so let Ben play  after all he's innocent until and if  the CPS decide there's enough evidence to bring a charge.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1433 on: November 29, 2017, 03:44:33 PM »
Quote from: LateBloomer on November 29, 2017, 03:39:04 PM
Interesting article and I agree with most of it.

And I tell you another thing - if we ever come to the point where people are seeking advice or opinion from Watson, Warner and Smith on any subject other than hitting a ball with a stick then the world is in trouble. A combined IQ of about 40. Maybe there should be a law against public speaking by complete and utter mongs.

Or the opinion of Warners wife on the subject
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1434 on: November 29, 2017, 03:45:52 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on November 29, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
Seems odd to me that they are seeking charging advice which to me means they have a case but not sure if it’s enough to convict on... at least we should have a clear picture and know what is happening shortly!

Exactly what i thought. They'd have thrown it out before rather than go to CPS if they didnt think it would go anywhere. Could easily rule Mr Stokes out of the Ashes
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1435 on: November 29, 2017, 03:52:44 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on November 29, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
Seems odd to me that they are seeking charging advice which to me means they have a case but not sure if it’s enough to convict on... at least we should have a clear picture and know what is happening shortly!

Issue they also have, is that he could be charged with any of the following:

GBH
ABH
Affray
D&D
Assault
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1436 on: November 29, 2017, 04:04:16 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on November 29, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
Seems odd to me that they are seeking charging advice which to me means they have a case but not sure if it’s enough to convict on... at least we should have a clear picture and know what is happening shortly!

It means they think they do have enough. The police don’t actually prosecute in this country it’s the CPS, who in general can do one of four things

Agree with police and tell A&S to charge
Suggest charge on a lesser offence to try and increase chances of a conviction (not sure if relevant in this case)
Disagree that A&S have a strong case and suggest release with NFA
Suggest prosecution is not in the publics interest and release NFA
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1437 on: November 29, 2017, 04:06:45 PM »
The fact that they're seeking charging advice more than likely means they're seeking advice on which charge to bring, not if they will charge. As @justnotcricket86 has just said, it could be one of many. I'd be very surprised from this point if all charges are dropped (and even more surprised if he's wearing an England shirt at any point this winter!).

Either way, it could be a while until we hear any more - sorry state of affairs.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1438 on: November 29, 2017, 04:12:48 PM »
Quote from: mdg20 on November 29, 2017, 04:04:16 PM
It means they think they do have enough. The police don’t actually prosecute in this country it’s the CPS, who in general can do one of four things

Agree with police and tell A&S to charge
Suggest charge on a lesser offence to try and increase chances of a conviction (not sure if relevant in this case)
Disagree that A&S have a strong case and suggest release with NFA
Suggest prosecution is not in the publics interest and release NFA

"Suggest prosecution is not in the publics interest and release"

Surely being needed to play in Aus makes that nailed on
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1439 on: November 29, 2017, 04:14:21 PM »
Quote from: dynamiccoins on November 29, 2017, 04:12:48 PM
Surely being needed to play in Aus makes that nailed on

We're about to find out how much the CPS likes cricket that's for sure! :D
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