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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1830 on: December 06, 2017, 08:59:35 AM »

Would love to know flintoffs, goughs, harmisons,etc thoughts on the current England team and especially that performance

As none of them ever won a series in Australia they can kindly keep their opinions.

Flintoff captained a 5-0 defeat, Harmison bowled the ball to wide gully and Gough never won the Ashes home or away!

Funny how players become better when they retire. The players in the team are the best we have available, support them!

And do not underestimate the impact Stokes' absence has had mentally on both teams. Englands vice captain and best player fully fit but not playing - what a boost to the Australians! And kick in the teeth to England, whatever they say publicly Stokes has let his country down

We need to start scoring 100s simple as that. I dont think the bowling has been bad atall on the whole but 30s and 40s in Australia wont win you matches

Impressed with Overton, might not be the most talented cricketer we have but has got stuck in with bat and ball and looked up for a battle. Admire any sportsman who competes hard


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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1831 on: December 06, 2017, 09:24:59 AM »

Would be interesting to see the stats on the amount of times Root has been 50+ overnight and not gone on to add to it much, seems to happen a lot
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1832 on: December 06, 2017, 09:28:20 AM »

Would be interesting to see the stats on the amount of times Root has been 50+ overnight and not gone on to add to it much, seems to happen a lot

He must average <20 starting again the next morning!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1833 on: December 06, 2017, 09:40:22 AM »

It is hard not to be negative being an England fan when we play in Oz. We aren't probably giving the Australians credit.

They have four very good bowlers, including a spinner (remember what a difference Swann made for England). Australia also have a world class opener in Warner and a captain who is going to end up as probably one of the all time greats.

England have two very good opening bowlers, a great opener in rubbish form and a fantastic batsman in Root.

Let's be honest...Australia are just better. 4 very good bowlers and Smith. Plus England's batting is crap (no 100's again) and we don't have a spinner.

Well played Australia...you are just better with us  :( 

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1834 on: December 06, 2017, 09:49:15 AM »

Very well said @JTtaylor145! Oz played better than England for the most part and ended up winning the test. Root & co have work cut out for them. Oz might want to look at their batting collapse in the second innings and see if they can avoid it. 
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1835 on: December 06, 2017, 09:51:13 AM »

Giving Root the captaincy starting to affect his batting?

He has too much weight on his shoulders to perform every time he goes out to the middle, the collective amount of 100's scored in the top 5 is ZERO (not considering Cook and Root of course) so how is he able to trust the others will get a decent score...

Simple answer is he can't and as a result he feels the pressure.Sad thing is it look like we don't have anyone else to improve the , the next cab off the rank is Ballance......Ballance for christ sake!!

I know one man cant turn a test series round but the exclusion of Stokes has completely killed the balance of the side...I'd rather have a Stokes than a Woakes any day and the aggression he brings (no pun intended) makes England a far more threatening side not to mention a Dukes ball and movement through the air  :(

Overall this England side shows (at times) glimmers of hope that they can become a good side but with a conveyor belt approach to batsman this side will never become the dominant force we dream them to be.

The future is bleak.....for the love of god please make me eat my words England, please.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1836 on: December 06, 2017, 10:20:52 AM »

The only person we have to blame for Stokes not being on the tour is Stokes.

Are the Lions not playing many games?  Difficult to judge whether any 'form horses' could be brought into the squad.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1837 on: December 06, 2017, 10:27:35 AM »

I think the reality is that we are an average side,reliant on a handful of very good cricketers. At home,with conditions to our advantage, we will win more series than we lose.
The real problem is,and has been for a while now,our batting. We don't post the big scores that give our bowlers half a chance.
Australia,although their batting is still suspect- have a world class bowling attack- all four bowlers are of the highest quality- fair play to those guys.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1838 on: December 06, 2017, 10:27:56 AM »

If only England had a Kagiso Rabat’s and  Maharaj to stem the flow of runs....

And a De Kock to counter attack down the innings.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1839 on: December 06, 2017, 10:46:17 AM »

Blame anything. But, whatever you do, don't say "too much 20/20 cricket."
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1840 on: December 06, 2017, 10:53:10 AM »

If England were to make a change, personally I'd be swapping vince for Livingstone from the lions.

Somebody needs to counter punch. From what I've seen he seems like a guy who might be up for it. eg scored 68 out of 109 vs somerset, followed that with 168 after somerset had lead over 150. also rememeber he took a catch vs yorkshire in t20 turns straight to western terrace and basically says up yours. That's the type of person I want playing somebody who might give them some back and possibly show some mental strength instead of driving to 1st slip every innings or getting trapped on your crease line LBW like the next in line.

Hes a very destructive batter when he gets going, no ground is big enough. had an average of 47 last season 2 hundreds and 3 50s vs Vince who had avg >33, 2 hundreds 1 50.

Unfortunately Bayliss words when asked about any changes: "No, I don't think so, there's no real need to panic."
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1841 on: December 06, 2017, 11:13:49 AM »

If England were to make a change, personally I'd be swapping vince for Livingstone from the lions.

Somebody needs to counter punch. From what I've seen he seems like a guy who might be up for it. eg scored 68 out of 109 vs somerset, followed that with 168 after somerset had lead over 150. also rememeber he took a catch vs yorkshire in t20 turns straight to western terrace and basically says up yours. That's the type of person I want playing somebody who might give them some back and possibly show some mental strength instead of driving to 1st slip every innings or getting trapped on your crease line LBW like the next in line.

Hes a very destructive batter when he gets going, no ground is big enough. had an average of 47 last season 2 hundreds and 3 50s vs Vince who had avg >33, 2 hundreds 1 50.

Unfortunately Bayliss words when asked about any changes: "No, I don't think so, there's no real need to panic."

Possibly unfair, but I think what counts against LL is how out of his dept he looked in those T20 he played this summer.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1842 on: December 06, 2017, 11:16:42 AM »

Australia aren't a particularly better team than England, just home conditions and the English batting lineup not converting starts is the difference - the entire England top 7 are fully capable of playing the Aussie bowlers, they're just not making starts count which is key in Australia. Imagine these teams playing at Trent Bridge/Edgbaston/Old Trafford and tell me England wouldn't be winning easily. Runs needed please, whether that means someone new coming in or just the current lineup remembering how to bat between 40-100. A team in Root's image at the moment, perhaps Stoneman Vince and Malan need a good chat with Graham Gooch rather than Ramprakash.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1843 on: December 06, 2017, 11:29:25 AM »

Edge..... whatever you've had on your porridge this morning, i want some!

"Australia aren't a particularly better team than England"

"Just home conditions"

I wonder what 5-0 looks like when they are actually a better side.  :)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1844 on: December 06, 2017, 12:10:25 PM »

Manno can you give it up with your porridge references England is not Goldilocks and the three bears

Your kidding yourself if you think Australia are a different class to us

Home conditions count for a lot. Recent oz teams cannot play the moving ball over here, pace and bounce away and we struggle

Your pace attack is good,that’s all really
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