Topic: Ashes 2017-18 (Read 426450 times)

csnew · « **Reply #1905 on:** December 07, 2017, 10:09:20 PM »

Wood�s over rated, even when he was bowling at 90mph he hardly troubled the batsmen. Last time he played he was down to 86mph.

Broads the biggest concern, don�t think he�s taken a 5 wicket haul in over a year. His record hasn�t been great

golders · « **Reply #1906 on:** December 07, 2017, 11:37:30 PM »

I've never seen Wood regularly bowl 90mph.The odd one might hit 90 but I'd be more to say he was slippery,rather than out and out pace like Cummins or Stark.
So we've been looking for a new opening partner for Cook for ages,now we've found Stoneman who,despite looking decent and gutsy,hasn't yet scored a ton.
But now we need a replacement partner for Stoneman, apparently...!
We also need a replacement spinner for Ali,as he can't spin the ball anymore. And a replacement batsman for Ali,because he can't bat against,erm,off spin!
Where are the positives,someone?anyone?!

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #1907 on:** December 08, 2017, 07:28:43 AM »

The only other opening option I can really think of that they haven't tried is Rory burns, very consistent over the past 3/4 seasons scoring plenty of championship runs, in the spinning department they opted to leave the best spinner in the country at home (well placed in the lions squad) and decided to take a lad that hadn't played much 4 day cricket. Again would Samit Patel have been an option for a middle order batsman, bowls a bit and a half decent bat

six and out · « **Reply #1908 on:** December 08, 2017, 07:55:50 AM »

Quote from: golders on December 07, 2017, 11:37:30 PM

I've never seen Wood regularly bowl 90mph.The odd one might hit 90 but I'd be more to say he was slippery,rather than out and out pace like Cummins or Stark.
So we've been looking for a new opening partner for Cook for ages,now we've found Stoneman who,despite looking decent and gutsy,hasn't yet scored a ton.
But now we need a replacement partner for Stoneman, apparently...!
We also need a replacement spinner for Ali,as he can't spin the ball anymore. And a replacement batsman for Ali,because he can't bat against,erm,off spin!
Where are the positives,someone?anyone?!

I agree about Wood but you have to ask... is he different to the others? Will he at least cause them a few issues? Etc... because at the moment we don't look close to taking 20 wickets. And regarding the 90mph we don't have anyone at all in county cricket who regularly hits that let alone on the tour.

Opening pair will be Cook and Stoneman for as long as Cook wants it to be I'd suspect. Cook is just in one of his ruts of form.

Mo hasn't bowled well but he isn't fully match fit - no matter what they say - and it is being exaggerated by how well Lyon is bowling. Mo will be playing for England for a long time.

As for positives.... hmmmm

FattusCattus · « **Reply #1909 on:** December 08, 2017, 09:16:36 AM »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21707649/moeen-ali-skip-bowling-perth-warm-up

Surely this is getting ridiculous now - if he can't bowl effectively, they need to draft another spinner in, and not keep hoping 'he will heal'. what also seems to be ridiculous is that the Lions aren't playing many games to allow their spinners to get any overs under their belts and get used to Aussie conditions.

So if they've locked Crane on the tour bus or forgotten he's in the party, they have no other options and no variety in the attack.

This doesn't smack of particularly good planning or management.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #1910 on:** December 08, 2017, 09:33:51 AM »

Quote from: golders on December 07, 2017, 11:37:30 PM

I've never seen Wood regularly bowl 90mph.The odd one might hit 90 but I'd be more to say he was slippery,rather than out and out pace like Cummins or Stark.
So we've been looking for a new opening partner for Cook for ages,now we've found Stoneman who,despite looking decent and gutsy,hasn't yet scored a ton.
But now we need a replacement partner for Stoneman, apparently...!
We also need a replacement spinner for Ali,as he can't spin the ball anymore. And a replacement batsman for Ali,because he can't bat against,erm,off spin!
Where are the positives,someone?anyone?!

Your right he doesn't but either does anyone you don't need to hit 90 mph every ball just land the ball in the right areas

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #1911 on:** December 08, 2017, 09:55:53 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on December 08, 2017, 09:33:51 AM

Your right he doesn't but either does anyone you don't need to hit 90 mph every ball just land the ball in the right areas

Unfortunately Wood doesn't do that consistently either though...

mattdawson · « **Reply #1912 on:** December 08, 2017, 10:00:58 AM »

Good write up from Bairstow here about the first 2 tests, also hints that he wont be moving up the order, but I get the impression, from the brief sentence, he wants to.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-5157323/JONNY-BAIRSTOW-Ive-sledged-not-lost-friends.html

Northern monkey · « **Reply #1913 on:** December 08, 2017, 10:32:21 AM »

Great little write up that

Mr_Orange · « **Reply #1914 on:** December 08, 2017, 11:57:59 AM »

So Moeen is quite unlikely to bowl in the warm up, which is the main reason I assumed he was the only one from the Test team who was playing!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21707649/moeen-ali-skip-bowling-perth-warm-up

ppccopener · « **Reply #1915 on:** December 08, 2017, 12:54:18 PM »

Guardian reports he is bowling in this match.he is clearly hampered by the finger injury, how much of an impact he would have fully fit is debatable anyway on these pitches, Lyon is a better bowler and gets more on the ball.
Mason crane may yet play on the tour, he is good enough to play for NSW.

If Stokes was in the team I�m convinced we would be playing 2 spinners and leaving out 1 seamer

it's_a_pudding · « **Reply #1916 on:** December 08, 2017, 12:58:42 PM »

Hearing Mason Crane is going to play next test. I'm assuming Ali playing this game might decide if he will play as a batsmen.
Got a feeling we are going to struggle next 3 tests now tbh but walk all over them in the odis with a squad full off players trying to prove a point.
The preparation for this tour has been their biggest downfall and the reason the series has gone the way it has.
Still reckon with everyone available for both teams england are stronger on paper.

six and out · « **Reply #1917 on:** December 08, 2017, 01:05:46 PM »

From Mo himself.....

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/11161227/moeen-finger-needs-time-to-heal

Mr_Orange · « **Reply #1918 on:** December 08, 2017, 01:29:56 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on December 08, 2017, 12:54:18 PM

Guardian reports he is bowling in this match.he is clearly hampered by the finger injury, how much of an impact he would have fully fit is debatable anyway on these pitches, Lyon is a better bowler and gets more on the ball.
Mason crane may yet play on the tour, he is good enough to play for NSW.

If Stokes was in the team I�m convinced we would be playing 2 spinners and leaving out 1 seamer

From said article...
"I probably won't bowl this game," Moeen said. "Just so my finger has more time. It needs to heal. As soon as I start bowling, it starts to rip a little."

csnew · « **Reply #1919 on:** December 08, 2017, 01:39:15 PM »

Just reminds me of previous ashes tours - picking injured players and them breaking down half way through a tour.

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