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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1920 on: December 08, 2017, 06:59:46 PM »

Hearing Mason Crane is going to play next test. I'm assuming Ali playing this game might decide if he will play as a batsmen.
Got a feeling we are going to struggle next 3 tests now tbh but walk all over them in the odis with a squad full off players trying to prove a point.
The preparation for this tour has been their biggest downfall and the reason the series has gone the way it has.
Still reckon with everyone available for both teams england are stronger on paper.



Not trying to be a smartarse of argumentative here ....legit questions here  . Of course everyone has their opinion and thats cool , you think with both teams having best available teams that eng are stronger .
What would it take for you to change your mind ? If australia win 5-0 will you think that stokes wouldn't have been able to bridge such a gap ? Or would you think that if stokes was there that a 5-0 loss could become a series victory ?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1921 on: December 08, 2017, 07:54:02 PM »

Not trying to be a smartarse of argumentative here ....legit questions here  . Of course everyone has their opinion and thats cool , you think with both teams having best available teams that eng are stronger .
What would it take for you to change your mind ? If australia win 5-0 will you think that stokes wouldn't have been able to bridge such a gap ? Or would you think that if stokes was there that a 5-0 loss could become a series victory ?

Thats for the OP to answer.  I will make one point though - it would have been a much more interesting series with Stokes in the England side than it is without.  England would have been a balanced side packed with batting options, and would have gone in believing they were good enough to win, whereas I think what we see now is a team that thinks it might possibly be maybe almost good enough if things go their way, and would have had selections options such as Crane for Ali and the like because of that balance.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1922 on: December 08, 2017, 08:10:55 PM »

I don't think England are stronger on paper or on grass. I think it's pretty even.before the tour started I thought we could retain the ashes perhaps with a narrow win or a draw.

The Aussie bowlers in Oz conditions are better than ours, if they stay fit as has been said before, it's advantage Australia.

We have actually competed in the tests and been let down in sessions by bowlers or batsmen. It's 0-2 and the scoreboard never lies.

Think of it like this thou. Take Smith out of your team and that's the impact Stokes not playing has had on ours, only if Smith don't play someone else skippers and you need another batsmen. We need a world class allrounder and the Tailsman of the team.

He's as important as Root and we cannot balance the team without him. Yes he is only one player but it's his attitude and nature we are missing. We look like half a team.we are getting run over and cannot fight back. Stokes won't give it up and he drags everyone else up with him.

There's different opinions on here whether Ben should be allowed to play or not, different views of what he did, he may be charged, he may not.at the moment he has not been charged with anything.

The back up players, some are not good enough it's really that simple. A few players have carried us in the last couple of years, in England our bowlers get assistance and can paper over the cracks.

As an England fan, I'm a bit sad but not distraught the Ashes are slipping away, we won't lose 5-0 like the last tour-and we had more world class players then.

we need to fight and compete as much as we can,England have the same problems now as we did 2 years ago-lack of a specialist spinner and lack of quality batsmen.

Your a decent cricket fan, you must know Australia are not great compared  to a few years ago. The two teams are quite close together.

If the test series was in England right now what would you have the score at?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1923 on: December 08, 2017, 08:15:15 PM »

It is such a shame about Stokes because he really has I believe ruined what could have been a very close series.

The major difference is the selection options you get when Stokes plays. The possibility of playing 2 spinners, our tail suddenly doesn't look so fragile either as Woakes would be at 9 etc...

But hey ho... we have got what we've got.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1924 on: December 08, 2017, 08:45:15 PM »

What they've got is a chance to grow a pair, and make the most of an opportunity they will look back on for the rest of their lives.

Show the aussies, their bowlings mediocre and their batting fragile, and that all those years of ecb funded coaching and mothering really meant something.

Yeah whatever
Should be a close series on paper, even without stokes, it's been good to watch, whatever happens

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1925 on: December 08, 2017, 09:00:17 PM »

I don't think England are stronger on paper or on grass. I think it's pretty even.before the tour started I thought we could retain the ashes perhaps with a narrow win or a draw.

The Aussie bowlers in Oz conditions are better than ours, if they stay fit as has been said before, it's advantage Australia.

We have actually competed in the tests and been let down in sessions by bowlers or batsmen. It's 0-2 and the scoreboard never lies.

Think of it like this thou. Take Smith out of your team and that's the impact Stokes not playing has had on ours, only if Smith don't play someone else skippers and you need another batsmen. We need a world class allrounder and the Tailsman of the team.

He's as important as Root and we cannot balance the team without him. Yes he is only one player but it's his attitude and nature we are missing. We look like half a team.we are getting run over and cannot fight back. Stokes won't give it up and he drags everyone else up with him.

There's different opinions on here whether Ben should be allowed to play or not, different views of what he did, he may be charged, he may not.at the moment he has not been charged with anything.

The back up players, some are not good enough it's really that simple. A few players have carried us in the last couple of years, in England our bowlers get assistance and can paper over the cracks.

As an England fan, I'm a bit sad but not distraught the Ashes are slipping away, we won't lose 5-0 like the last tour-and we had more world class players then.

we need to fight and compete as much as we can,England have the same problems now as we did 2 years ago-lack of a specialist spinner and lack of quality batsmen.

Your a decent cricket fan, you must know Australia are not great compared  to a few years ago. The two teams are quite close together.

If the test series was in England right now what would you have the score at?

If the series was in the UK right now the score would be 2-0 to England  uk conditions and our seamers swinging the  ball in and out late would be unplayerable especially if they played day night matches.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1926 on: December 09, 2017, 07:20:13 AM »

And so it continues.... Duckett now dropped from the tour game and possibly heading home from the Lions due to alcohol related incident!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/cricket/story/_/id/21715952/ben-duckett-investigated-alcohol-related-incident

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/ashes-tour-yet-turmoil-following-11663893.amp?__twitter_impression=true

In the actual game we are currently 215-7. Jennings 80. Livingstone 36. Mo 24. Ballance and Foakes didn't get many.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1927 on: December 09, 2017, 07:43:41 AM »

Absolute shambles!
After everything that's happened, they let them go out on the lash at 11pm!

And why's Strauss back in England?
Is the ashes not important enough for him? And English cricket

Poor management all round and setting an incredibly poor example

All this does is play into the aussies hands and heap more pressure on the players when they have to do the jobs they are paid to do


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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1928 on: December 09, 2017, 08:04:04 AM »

Duckett has previous although this done not sound like anything too serious, it's just the impression it gives we are a bunch of louts.

Totally agree with Northern, management should be there for the whole tour, it's their job

I can't recall a tour myself where we have self destructed quite so much, we seem to be handing everything on and off the  field to The Aussies on a plate
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1929 on: December 09, 2017, 08:19:31 AM »

TC not doing himself any harm with the bat here, if he can get a few wickets he’s got to be considered I thought he looked like he belonged at this level in the t20’s in the summer I know it’s a big difference to test matches but he just seemed cool and collected
Duckett and the whole side are just completely brainless being seen drinking that late after what’s happened so far let alone getting in any sort of trouble
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1930 on: December 09, 2017, 08:30:31 AM »

So Duckett got into an argument with a senior test player and ended up pouring his pint over their head? Not sure that's a sending home from the tour offence to be fair, unless he was trying to persuade Moeen to have a drink!

None of the batsmen have done much then, goody.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1931 on: December 09, 2017, 09:25:29 AM »

Farcical- about time Bayliss grabbed some of these boys by the balls and reminded them what they are paid vast amounts of money to do.

It’s not a f*cking lads jolly, it’s a professional sports team for Christ’s sake!

Take a bit of pride in what you do!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1932 on: December 09, 2017, 09:46:39 AM »

So Duckett got into an argument with a senior test player and ended up pouring his pint over their head? Not sure that's a sending home from the tour offence to be fair, unless he was trying to persuade Moeen to have a drink!

None of the batsmen have done much then, goody.


 these players   have got to have discipline particualy in the the present climate they all know the score  its zero tolerance its not as if they havent been warned.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1933 on: December 09, 2017, 09:50:48 AM »

Ben Duckett's not very bright is he?  They were told before the tour started, told again during the tour and he goes and does that.

Pouring his pint away seems like a metaphor for this tour...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1934 on: December 09, 2017, 09:57:31 AM »

How the hell does Strauss think all this looks on him??

This all comes across wrong in so many ways
They've got to turn this round sharpish
They changed the whole one day dynamic, they've got to do the same with the test squad
We've all enjoyed for the most part, the cricket matches themselves.
It's been shown how test cricket can be entertaining
They have to build on this and encourage the next generation
Standards have to be set

Looking amateur and second rate, won't do

To me it's upto Strauss to sort this shambles sharpish
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