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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2010 on: December 12, 2017, 08:44:27 AM »

I have mixed feelings on this drinking subject. Stokes, if charged and convicted probably deserves it, based on the limited information that has come out. It is fine to defend someone but I think there is a difference in using force to defend and then not being able to control yourself once you have repelled an attack.

These other incidents are not a problem for me. I have played in many sports teams where stuff like that is fairly normal and even fairly tame. No one is getting hurt or abusing anyone or getting naked etc.

The problem clearly is that now anything they do is blown out of proportion by the press who are desperate for a story. Why they can't just go to a restaurant and have a few drinks over dinner, perhaps in a private room is beyond me.

The worst thing about all this to me (apart from the ABH) is how the press, especially in the UK, slated the English team for being boring and inaccessible. Now they have opened up and revealed that they are like pretty much any other sports team or group of lads aged 20-35 the press rip them to shreds.

I don't understand this expectation that if you play for England, every minute of your life represents England. If they go out to a bar, they are not making a public appearance, they are not at work. The only people who make it a public appearance are those taking pictures and intruding on their privacy. If someone took some pictures of me on my last night out and sent it to my boss, I'm sure my work life may be affected but why does anyone have the right to do that?

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2011 on: December 12, 2017, 06:16:22 PM »

Yeah you're right , no one has the right to do that . The difference between you and the england team players though.....the likelihood of it happening to them is exponentially higher . You have to conduct yourself using all info on the circumstances . If you know you are going to be highly scutinised then you are foolish to give ammunition for scrutiny .
Also ,  yes , some judgements may be unfair , but we , and the english players, know they are going to happen . I don't think you can really cry foul when the judgements are being made . It's like you want to walk down a street late at night . You know people get beaten up waliking down that street, but you , rightly, feel it is unfair that anyone be beaten up for walking down the street . So , you proceed to walk , and you get beaten up . Yes , it was wrong that you got beaten up , but it was also foolish to take that route/walk that street kowing what you knew . Why not just walk a different street ? Similarly,  why not just have a few beers in the privacy of team rooms/hotel etc ? 
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2012 on: December 12, 2017, 08:23:22 PM »

Man walks into a bar, does something stupid.

Is added to the England  Cricket Squad.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2013 on: December 12, 2017, 08:58:47 PM »

Or man walks into a bar does something  stupid

And removed from the England team.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2014 on: December 12, 2017, 09:40:21 PM »

Or man walks into a bar does something  stupid

And removed from the England team.

A man leaves a bar and is caught on CCTV assaulting someone. He claims it's in defence of two men who were receiving homophobic abuse.

While under police investigation he's dropped from the England team, but is allowed to play domestic cricket in New Zealand.

Meanwhile his teammates are on a piss up in Australia, but seem ultimately doomed to relinquish the Ashes
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2015 on: December 12, 2017, 11:30:45 PM »

A man leaves a bar and is caught on CCTV assaulting someone. He claims it's in defence of two men who were receiving homophobic abuse.

While under police investigation he's dropped from the England team, but is allowed to play domestic cricket in New Zealand.

Meanwhile his teammates are on a piss up in Australia, but seem ultimately doomed to relinquish the Ashes


Thats a good one ! .... where have i heard it before ?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2016 on: December 13, 2017, 10:08:07 AM »

Unchanged 11, Bairstow to bat 6, Ali 7, glad they weren’t too stubborn to see that needed doing.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2017 on: December 13, 2017, 10:39:00 AM »

Still getting tonked, mind.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2018 on: December 13, 2017, 12:13:34 PM »

Unchanged 11, Bairstow to bat 6, Ali 7, glad they weren’t too stubborn to see that needed doing.


Makes more sense.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2019 on: December 13, 2017, 01:29:43 PM »


Makes more sense.

Batting at 5 would make even more sense though, more likely to bat with Root then, 2 best bat's bouncing off one another
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2020 on: December 13, 2017, 07:13:47 PM »

Duckett  gets a 1500.00 fine
Jimmy states he should have been smarter
Root states Jimmy should focus on matches.
Bayliss reads the players the riot act.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2021 on: December 13, 2017, 07:29:51 PM »

Duckett  gets a 1500.00 fine
Jimmy states he should have been smarter
Root states Jimmy should focus on matches.
Bayliss reads the players the riot act.

@edge summed up this very well in his post yesterday. stupid stuff but if the punishment fits the crime in Ducketts case I'm opening the batting tommorow with Cook! The bloke has previous, he has been done up like a kipper and made an example of.

But none of it changes the fact we have a mountain to clime to get a result at Perth. I just hope we give a good account of ourselves and battle, you never know what might happen-we are due a Broad super spell if he still has it in him.

I just get the feeling at the end of this series we have the same questions and we did a year ago, pace abroad is a weak point, quality spinner? We don't know about Crane at all.

And......we don't score enough runs....we just don't. The only two names I think maybe for the future are Hameed when fit and Joe Clarke of Worcs.

I hope Vince  gets runs, but if he keeps on with no feet outside off any decent bowler will get him out at test level.

Hope he gets a ton tommorow , or Friday!  :)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2022 on: December 13, 2017, 07:40:31 PM »

Would be nice if any of em would get a ton!!!!

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2024 on: December 14, 2017, 12:23:08 AM »

Standard gutter journalism from the sun

Whilst there might be a few idiots on either team I dont for one second believe that any of them would consider match or spot fixing. I would like to think that representing England or Australia means more than that

In other news I am currently sat with a coffee in Wellington Park, Perth awaiting the days play. Was it deemed unacceptable to greet Australians with Bairstows headingley handshake? (Only joking manno)

Warm already, fingers crossed for a rapid track. Might not be to Englands advantage but thats what Perth was all about to me so thats what I want to see. If we aren't good enough so be it
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