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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2340 on: December 20, 2017, 03:24:00 PM »

Probably time for Bayliss to be ushered off and someone who knows county cricket brought in

I’d like to see mick newell given the job and remain as selector
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2341 on: December 20, 2017, 03:33:34 PM »

Way things are going, the Ashes should be played in South Africa, we might see some less predictable series then! Only thing that keeps Australia in it in in England is us being hospitable enough to roll out flat ones at Lord's and the Oval every series.

Probably time for Bayliss to be ushered off and someone who knows county cricket brought in. Given he's not a technical caoch I don't really see what he brings.  Wasn't a fan of making Root captain but as he is he should get a he chance to rebuild the team his way, pick someone young and gusty as vice (Stokes would have been ideal!) and give Root a good hearing in selection meetings.

Stokes as vice prior to this tour was prob the ideal for root and they are good friends.
I don’t think root should be captain full stop but it certainly looks like without Stokes senior players are not rallying round the captain. In any team you need to support the captain

Bayliss Morgan and farbrace have transformed our one day cricket but quite right test cricket we have become average.

If I were root, and Stokes is cleared, would he be able to resume vice captain duties, and would Root push for it?
Not sure but Stokes is pivotal to our side...

The old guard on the team don’t seem to be influencing things

Vince and Stoneman...could they become key figures? I’m not sure what to make of Vince, he has done pretty well at 3, Root knows he can bat there too.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2342 on: December 20, 2017, 04:11:24 PM »

Not just rallying around the Captain seems to be not rallying around each other  for ex where were they when Overton pulled up into his over they all knew he was bowling with a cracked rib no one went up to him.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2343 on: December 20, 2017, 04:19:02 PM »

Stokes as vice prior to this tour was prob the ideal for root and they are good friends.
I don’t think root should be captain full stop but it certainly looks like without Stokes senior players are not rallying round the captain. In any team you need to support the captain

Bayliss Morgan and farbrace have transformed our one day cricket but quite right test cricket we have become average.

If I were root, and Stokes is cleared, would he be able to resume vice captain duties, and would Root push for it?
Not sure but Stokes is pivotal to our side...

The old guard on the team don’t seem to be influencing things

Vince and Stoneman...could they become key figures? I’m not sure what to make of Vince, he has done pretty well at 3, Root knows he can bat there too.

I think Stokes was/is the ideal vice for Root, rallies the troops round him when the chips are down.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2344 on: December 20, 2017, 09:15:08 PM »

On another matter is anyone else fed up with the two bt Bell ends Vaughan and Swann ?
First we had MV mocking Cook now Swann wants Broad as captain !

Seriously he barely deserves to get in the side on recent performance

Didn’t think I would say this but missing the Sky team of Nasser Athers and bumble.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2345 on: December 20, 2017, 10:18:17 PM »

On another matter is anyone else fed up with the two bt Bell ends Vaughan and Swann ?
First we had MV mocking Cook now Swann wants Broad as captain !

Seriously he barely deserves to get in the side on recent performance

Didn’t think I would say this but missing the Sky team of Nasser Athers and bumble.

Also read that Swann as spoken to Cook and he can't see any longlivity in cooks  career unless he gets a big score to convince him to carry on.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2346 on: December 20, 2017, 10:32:36 PM »

Also read that Swann as spoken to Cook and he can't see any longlivity in cooks  career unless he gets a big score to convince him to carry on.

The captaincy took a toll on Cook he was not an instinctive skipper. We still need him opening I think until someone really makes a case to replace him.

Vaughan was a good captain and beating a great Aussie side in 05 was a great achievement - but look at the team he had then
We had genuine pace Jones and Harmision and quality batsmen-and Giles kept one end quiet.

05 was only one series and Root does not have that bowling ability now

Some of these old players and their comments really get on my tits
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2347 on: December 20, 2017, 11:14:49 PM »

Also read that Swann as spoken to Cook and he can't see any longlivity in cooks  career unless he gets a big score to convince him to carry on.

If ever there was a man to listen to retirement advice from...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2348 on: December 20, 2017, 11:43:16 PM »

On another matter is anyone else fed up with the two bt Bell ends Vaughan and Swann ?
First we had MV mocking Cook now Swann wants Broad as captain !

Seriously he barely deserves to get in the side on recent performance

Didn’t think I would say this but missing the Sky team of Nasser Athers and bumble.

Anyone who has seen more than three Michael Vaughan tweets knew what to expect and Swann has always been a (No Swearing Please) tbh.

The only pairing I enjoy on BT Sport is Alison Mitchell and Ricky Ponting. Everyone else is a downgrade in one way or another.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2349 on: December 21, 2017, 12:08:17 AM »

I think i like Vaughan. Possibly because he's sinking the boots into his own.  :D
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2350 on: December 21, 2017, 05:45:22 AM »

Just read in the local press about the australian rugby player Jarryd Hayne who has had a charge of rape brought against him in the US

Interested to see the follow up and hate campaign agianst him considering what was written about Stokes for what was basically over zealous self defence. I imagine this Hayne fella will have his house burnt down by the high browed Australian public. Or not.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2351 on: December 21, 2017, 05:53:29 AM »

dont worry ....wait until 4Corners gets a hold of the story ...the pitchforks will certainly come out .
Hayne is a very divisive (love him or hate him type)personality to begin with.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2352 on: December 21, 2017, 05:56:49 AM »

Just read in the local press about the australian rugby player Jarryd Hayne who has had a charge of rape brought against him in the US

Interested to see the follow up and hate campaign agianst him considering what was written about Stokes for what was basically over zealous self defence. I imagine this Hayne fella will have his house burnt down by the high browed Australian public. Or not.
Charge of rape?  It's a he said / she said civil matter, no charges. Haynes not well liked but I can't see how this is similar to king hitting someone on camera, Hayne is denying all allegations.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2353 on: December 21, 2017, 06:03:08 AM »

Charge of rape?  It's a he said / she said civil matter, no charges. Haynes not well liked but I can't see how this is similar to king hitting someone on camera, Hayne is denying all allegations.

So you would say that what Stokes is accused of is worse than what Hayne is accused of?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2354 on: December 21, 2017, 06:15:28 AM »

So you would say that what Stokes is accused of is worse than what Hayne is accused of?
Accusations are just that, there is proof in the Stokes issue. Don't see what kind of accusation it is makes a difference?
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