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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2490 on: December 26, 2017, 10:54:47 AM »
Tracking the cricket from holiday, when I wake up play is over....I could virtually guarantee we would no really make inroads on a good pitch in batting conditions.

Jimmy remains our best bowler but we will have to make some changes in the absence of Stokes.

Mo Ali is a worry, we need his runs down the order but he is the front line spinner even if he thinks himself he is the second spinner.

Actual specialist spinners in the modern game seem to have gone, you need to be able to bat unless you are outstanding. You just can't see someone like Panesar playing now as good as he was for us, ie a player like Leach.

Very tricky to fix I think myself, Crane seems to be the best option and does not play.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2491 on: December 26, 2017, 11:31:09 AM »
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2492 on: December 26, 2017, 12:06:40 PM »
Quote from: manno on December 26, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
‘Cowardly, pathetic’ act slammed - news.com.au
https://apple.news/ANp265bFARoy6yDcDkBxkNw

Not at ll cowardly or pathetic it could be interpreted as a negative tactics to build pressure  and if not for the no ball would have worked.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2493 on: December 26, 2017, 12:16:42 PM »
Quote from: Number4 on December 26, 2017, 03:48:16 AM
Australian Schedule

Feb-Apr Tour S.A
Jun-Jul Zim tour Aus
Jul Ban Tour Aus

I’ll put my money on Warner



Yeah warner will really be on the down and down come mid year !  :D
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2494 on: December 26, 2017, 01:28:09 PM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on December 26, 2017, 12:06:40 PM
Not at ll cowardly or pathetic it could be interpreted as a negative tactics to build pressure  and if not for the no ball would have worked.

So you wait till a batsmen makes 99 before attempting to employ a plan to get him out? For roots sake i seriously hope that wasnt his tactic. Almost a better look if it was just broad trying to dodge the hundred.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2495 on: December 26, 2017, 01:36:11 PM »
Quote from: manno on December 26, 2017, 01:28:09 PM
So you wait till a batsmen makes 99 before attempting to employ a plan to get him out? For roots sake i seriously hope that wasnt his tactic. Almost a better look if it was just broad trying to dodge the hundred.
No it wasn't a case of waiting till the batsman gets 99  to employ a plan maybe  just another part of the plan and it nearly worked
Except for a typical example of what they say about the best laid plans
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2496 on: December 26, 2017, 02:01:33 PM »
This boy Steven Smith is proving to be a right pain in the...Someone go kick him the nuts as a retired hurt seems the only way to see him off at the current time. Joking aside the boy is a marvelous batsman.

Moeen Ali pathetic yet again, aside from a fluke job against South Africa, he's stealing a living. Truly a terrible cricketer. Once we get Stokes back, we must pension off Moeen and select a front line spinner - whether that's Adil, Leach or Crane. Bits and pieces like Moeen have no business being gifted Test caps
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2497 on: December 26, 2017, 02:30:46 PM »
Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on December 26, 2017, 02:01:33 PM
This boy Steven Smith is proving to be a right pain in the...Someone go kick him the nuts as a retired hurt seems the only way to see him off at the current time. Joking aside the boy is a marvelous batsman.

Moeen Ali pathetic yet again, aside from a fluke job against South Africa, he's stealing a living. Truly a terrible cricketer. Once we get Stokes back, we must pension off Moeen and select a front line spinner - whether that's Adil, Leach or Crane. Bits and pieces like Moeen have no business being gifted Test caps
Yes  when    smith  failed his english exam and was complentating his future had  he taken  Surreys £30.000  offer he could now be playing  for England
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2498 on: December 26, 2017, 04:03:15 PM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on December 26, 2017, 02:30:46 PM
Yes  when    smith  failed his english exam and was complentating his future had  he taken  Surreys £30.000  offer he could now be playing  for England

You say that, but would he have ever made it that far?
Because he doesn't have a "textbook" technique, his natural game would have likely been coached out of him on the county circuit.

Would he have been so prolific, who knows? I do think that the approach of trying to teach everyone out of the coaching manual is one of the major flaws of English cricket in general.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2499 on: December 26, 2017, 04:25:55 PM »
It's this sort of question that needs asking
Would he have had to go to the right schools etc
As a leggie, would anyone have bothered with him?
And the way he's turned himself into one of the worlds best run scorers is what every coach/county should be asking
Instead of focusing on how good they look in the nets facing off stick half volleys

And warners a flat track bully??
Cmon, the blokes unreal, how can anyone call him anything other than a prolific run scorer

I'm sure it's the same people who prattle on about how wonderful cook is, and yet he's not scored owt for years?

Is it about pretty cricket or taking wickets and scoring runs??
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2500 on: December 26, 2017, 04:49:57 PM »
I love reading this thread - the one eyed nationalism on both sides is spectacular.  Broad bowling wide of the stumps was cowardice?  Odd, seems to me his strategy would have brough Warner's immediate downfall had Curran been able to land his feet where he was supposed to.
And Warner is on the downslope?  I'd hardly think so - he's had a tougher series than some, mainly because England's tactics of bowling dry work particularly well against him - but you can hardly imagine the Yarpies, Zimboks or Banglas repeating that later in the year...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2501 on: December 26, 2017, 04:52:42 PM »
Quote from: Northern monkey on December 26, 2017, 04:25:55 PM
It's this sort of question that needs asking
Would he have had to go to the right schools etc
As a leggie, would anyone have bothered with him?
And the way he's turned himself into one of the worlds best run scorers is what every coach/county should be asking
Instead of focusing on how good they look in the nets facing off stick half volleys

And warners a flat track bully??
Cmon, the blokes unreal, how can anyone call him anything other than a prolific run scorer

I'm sure it's the same people who prattle on about how wonderful cook is, and yet he's not scored owt for years?

Is it about pretty cricket or taking wickets and scoring runs??

Th guy does score runs and no one can argue with that. However, when a commentator is waxing lyrical about his defence and when you look he’s not into tha ball and got a huge gap between bat and pad you’ve got to wonder what these commentators are smoking.

Always got to remember pundits are paid to BS players and games up. Hell, even Hussey was saying how good Bancrofts technique was.. I think he’s lost his marbles if he thinks that

Sure England went negative but against batsmen who can’t stand more than a couple of dot balls it works.. they get all annoyed and flash. Warner could have been out a lot in his innings but some how people seem to be forgetting how often he hit it in the air
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2502 on: December 26, 2017, 05:03:03 PM »
What's up with hitting a ball in the air? In England's batting, just hitting the ball would be an improvement
The bits I heard regarding warners defence, were in reference to him being a t20 hitter originally and how he's worked on , trying to play a longer innings type game.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2503 on: December 26, 2017, 05:26:58 PM »
Quote from: manno on December 26, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
‘Cowardly, pathetic’ act slammed - news.com.au
https://apple.news/ANp265bFARoy6yDcDkBxkNw

Those 'cowardly' tactics made Warner feel the pressure and make mistakes despite having cruised to 90 from about a dozen balls. He hit one uppishly past point, then was caught off a no-ball trying to force one to the empty on-side on 99 and then ended with his dismissal four runs later reaching for a wide one.

Just because idiots are 'slamming' it doesn't mean the plan didn't have sound logic behind it.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2504 on: December 26, 2017, 09:22:04 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on December 26, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
Th guy does score runs and no one can argue with that. However, when a commentator is waxing lyrical about his defence and when you look he’s not into tha ball and got a huge gap between bat and pad you’ve got to wonder what these commentators are smoking.

Always got to remember pundits are paid to BS players and games up. Hell, even Hussey was saying how good Bancrofts technique was.. I think he’s lost his marbles if he thinks that

Sure England went negative but against batsmen who can’t stand more than a couple of dot balls it works.. they get all annoyed and flash. Warner could have been out a lot in his innings but some how people seem to be forgetting how often he hit it in the air

With regards to Smith and his defence, they have every right to comment on how good it is, gap between bat and pad means nothing if he can still manage to keep the ball out, technique goes out the window as Smith is proving time and time again.
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