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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2505 on: December 26, 2017, 09:29:32 PM »

With regards to Smith and his defence, they have every right to comment on how good it is, gap between bat and pad means nothing if he can still manage to keep the ball out, technique goes out the window as Smith is proving time and time again.

Who mentioned smith ??

Warner..

Smith actually keeps it on the deck so fair enough
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2506 on: December 26, 2017, 09:30:00 PM »

So Moeen Ali? I’ve not seen any of this series. Is he simply sh*t, is it all the cut on his finger or has he been unlucky?

We all play club cricket at varying levels. If you were the captain/coach of the StDunstans Irregulars 3XI - would you pick a spinner who couldn’t fulfill his primary function?

Malan’s looking like the primary batsman/part-time spinner at the moment.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2507 on: December 26, 2017, 09:39:56 PM »

Who mentioned smith ??

Warner..

Smith actually keeps it on the deck so fair enough

Warner is a very good player indeed. As for smith he probably has exceptional hand eye co ordination, similar to Kevin Pieterson.

That would be a guess as to why he is that good-because he is exceptional.

Even a test level you sometimes get players that good the rest look like county players.

KP had his head over the ball and in line and didn't seem to care much about anything else. Some of his innings you watch and think he is just so much better than anyone else.

His hundred at Headingly v SA and his ton in Mumbai two of those games.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2508 on: December 26, 2017, 09:41:26 PM »

Who mentioned smith ??

Warner..

Smith actually keeps it on the deck so fair enough

Yeh my bad not sure how I got mixed up there, my point still stands though,
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2509 on: December 26, 2017, 09:46:01 PM »

So Moeen Ali? I’ve not seen any of this series. Is he simply sh*t, is it all the cut on his finger or has he been unlucky?

We all play club cricket at varying levels. If you were the captain/coach of the StDunstans Irregulars 3XI - would you pick a spinner who couldn’t fulfill his primary function?

Malan’s looking like the primary batsman/part-time spinner at the moment.

He's just looked turd from the very start, I can't understand what they see in him to constantly keep picking him, he had a decent summer but on wickets that were more spin friendly and with England on the front foot. He's not the greatest fielder in the world either and it's only a matter of time before he gets out when at the crease, anything above chest level and he's knackered.

He bowls without any energy, and consistently over pitches the ball, negating any potential spin as the Batsmen are already well on top of the ball/ to the pitch of it. The comparison between him and Lyon is insane, like chalk and cheese
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2510 on: December 26, 2017, 09:59:21 PM »

Isn’t it funny how things change... it was only about 12 months ago people on this forum were calling Lyon (No Swearing Please) and a clubbie lol
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2511 on: December 26, 2017, 10:05:21 PM »

Not me! I think Lyon shows the benefit of a confident, consistently improving finger spinner. Fair play to him, and stupid b*stard points to Baylis for persisting with Ali.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2512 on: December 26, 2017, 10:35:17 PM »

I'll hold my hands up as one who called Lyon a clubbie, more due to the fact I don't like him and I'm very bitter, unfortunately he is very good
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2513 on: December 26, 2017, 11:53:16 PM »

So Moeen Ali? I’ve not seen any of this series. Is he simply sh*t, is it all the cut on his finger or has he been unlucky?

We all play club cricket at varying levels. If you were the captain/coach of the StDunstans Irregulars 3XI - would you pick a spinner who couldn’t fulfill his primary function?

Malan’s looking like the primary batsman/part-time spinner at the moment.

Well...

He was clearly unfit going into the first test, having missed a tour game with a side strain. Then he ripped open his spinning finger in the first test and almost missed the second test because of it.

Australia is also a very tough place for visiting spinners, Murali averages something like 75 there, Yasir Shah toured there and averaged something like 80 iirc? Swann retired halfway through an Ashes tour to keep his career average below 30.

On top of those mitigating factors, Moeen has also just bowled a bit (No Swearing Please).

I also think Root has done a poor job of handling Moeen too. I think it was in the previous test where Moeen came on a few overs before the old ball, got rid of one of the Marsh brothers (The only wicket that fell all day iirc?) in his first over and he only bowled one more over before being replaced by Anderson in the 78th over or so.

So not only did Moeen come on for a marathon two over spell, but it meant that Anderson only bowled two and a half overs with the new ball because he was half way through his spell by the time it became available. That's just crap captaincy.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2514 on: December 27, 2017, 12:01:29 AM »

Th guy does score runs and no one can argue with that. However, when a commentator is waxing lyrical about his defence and when you look he’s not into tha ball and got a huge gap between bat and pad you’ve got to wonder what these commentators are smoking.

Always got to remember pundits are paid to BS players and games up. Hell, even Hussey was saying how good Bancrofts technique was.. I think he’s lost his marbles if he thinks that

Sure England went negative but against batsmen who can’t stand more than a couple of dot balls it works.. they get all annoyed and flash. Warner could have been out a lot in his innings but some how people seem to be forgetting how often he hit it in the air

This is my point. If its not a rubbish ploy from a bowler to dodge warners hundred then as a tactic it exposes a captain without a plan. If it only takes "a couple of dot balls" then why wait till the guy makes a century to use this tactic? Why chase warners ball for 99 runs before its a plan worth implamenting?

As for hitting the ball through the air. Arent there even rules of the game around scoring extra for hitting the ball in the air? Its part of the game, unlike croquet. Some people might be forgetting how ofter he DIDNT actually get out hitting it in the air. Its clutching at straws when you suggest the mear fact a ball is hit in the air a batsman could have been out. There is after all a finite number a fielders. And you'll need to have seen each of his innings this series if you want to give any context to this one. Check his strike rates and minutes at the crease. Cleary not too worried by dot balls and run rates. This innings showed a deliberately different intent. Yes more risk. But much less at stake. After the last test boof said players would be more free. Warner was. Simple.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2515 on: December 27, 2017, 12:03:01 AM »

Not a bad debut scalp!!!

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2516 on: December 27, 2017, 12:23:34 AM »

#DropWoakes
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2517 on: December 27, 2017, 12:23:58 AM »

Medium pace, wide of off stump, playing on. We've cracked it. Ah.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2518 on: December 27, 2017, 12:40:18 AM »

Lucky the Aussies are getting themselves out because England were never getting them out 😜
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2519 on: December 27, 2017, 01:11:27 AM »

About time Broad turned up this tour
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