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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2535 on: December 27, 2017, 07:07:13 AM »
All Cook needed was a new bat. There’s a moral in that for everyone.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2536 on: December 27, 2017, 08:25:38 AM »
Quote from: adb club cricketer on December 27, 2017, 05:55:29 AM
On a different note, Cook is playing much more sideon this innings and it is working for him. Not sure if he made a conscious decision on the same..

Wonder if that was a reversal of what he was working on with Palmer before Christmas.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2537 on: December 27, 2017, 08:26:18 AM »
There is a Starc difference to the potency of the Ozzie bowling attack in the test.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2538 on: December 27, 2017, 08:56:43 AM »
Indeed, he doesn't always look like a world beater but he does have a habit of picking up wickets out of nowhere with the others lack.
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« Reply #2539 on: December 27, 2017, 09:09:33 AM »
"Sighs" - is it just me, or is anyone else deflated by the fact that all of this has happened when it does not matter?  Cook and Broad have decided to show up after the ashes have gone, how many times have I seen fine England performances after the horse has bolted (particularly against the Aussies).

I'm delighted that Cook has got some runs at last, I like the guy and think he has been a great servant to English cricket, but I just can't get excited about finishing the series 3-1 or 3-2 with the current set up and methods.

I could live with it if it was a fighting finish and a brave new dawn with Malan, Foakes, Crane and Curran to the fore, citing a new generation of match-winners for England.
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« Reply #2540 on: December 27, 2017, 09:19:47 AM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on December 27, 2017, 09:09:33 AM
"Sighs" - is it just me, or is anyone else deflated by the fact that all of this has happened when it does not matter?  Cook and Broad have decided to show up after the ashes have gone, how many times have I seen fine England performances after the horse has bolted (particularly against the Aussies).

I'm delighted that Cook has got some runs at last, I like the guy and think he has been a great servant to English cricket, but I just can't get excited about finishing the series 3-1 or 3-2 with the current set up and methods.

I could live with it if it was a fighting finish and a brave new dawn with Malan, Foakes, Crane and Curran to the fore, citing a new generation of match-winners for England.

Better than just lying down and accepting a walloping I suppose, at least shows there's some fight left in the old guard.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2541 on: December 27, 2017, 09:32:23 AM »
That and the only claim the aussies have to being any better is they don't lose 5-0 every time in the away Ashes series.
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« Reply #2542 on: December 27, 2017, 09:36:49 AM »
I concur with Mr FC.....Cook appears never to get runs when we need him too and i believe someone with his record should operate on a higher plane than the others!

To show up in the 7th innings of an Ashes tour down under,being the senior bat,is very poor,but alas what i have come to expect of him
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« Reply #2543 on: December 27, 2017, 09:41:07 AM »
Fascinating the effect of removing mental pressure with the series done. Some play better than ever and some lose their edge and underachieve.
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« Reply #2544 on: December 27, 2017, 09:48:56 AM »
Quote from: Nmcgee on December 27, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
Fascinating the effect of removing mental pressure with the series done. Some play better than ever and some lose their edge and underachieve.

More a slow flat pitch and the most potent bowler missing I'd say.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2545 on: December 27, 2017, 10:16:50 AM »
Well done to Anderson on passing Walsh  to become second to McGrath in  tests in the list of fast bowling wicket takers
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« Reply #2546 on: December 27, 2017, 11:05:05 AM »
Our best ever seam bowler now surely?

If you look at stats only , and they played far far fewer tests way back, trueman's  average is astonishing....

But they were uncovered pitches(?). Anderson has got his wickets on sponsors wickets in the UK, and elsewhere batting friendly ones...
Trueman was much quicker than Jimmy, but I've not seen a better bowler for us
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« Reply #2547 on: December 27, 2017, 11:33:55 AM »
The shear amount of matches and wickets taken in The UK certainly make him look a little better than he is.... Not that I don’t think he is a good bowler because he is but more than half of his wickets have been taken on home soil at an average of 10 better than all away matches combined.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2548 on: December 27, 2017, 11:46:34 AM »
Quote from: Number4 on December 27, 2017, 11:33:55 AM
The shear amount of matches and wickets taken in The UK certainly make him look a little better than he is.... Not that I don’t think he is a good bowler because he is but more than half of his wickets have been taken on home soil at an average of 10 better than all away matches combined.

English bowler takes a high percentage of wickets in England shocker.

I assume by the same standard you're taking all runs in Australia out of consideration for Smiffy? :)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2549 on: December 27, 2017, 11:48:00 AM »
Quote from: ppccopener on December 27, 2017, 11:05:05 AM
Our best ever seam bowler now surely?

If you look at stats only , and they played far far fewer tests way back, trueman's  average is astonishing....

But they were uncovered pitches(?). Anderson has got his wickets on sponsors wickets in the UK, and elsewhere batting friendly ones...
Trueman was much quicker than Jimmy, but I've not seen a better bowler for us
Apologies for going of topic but having seen Truman bowl inc him watching him take his 300 test wicket in terms of speed Fred was quicker than Jimmy but was not the fastest it was his  long graceful run up and classical side on action that made him look much faster than he actually was.

What Truman also had was what all fast bowlers need powerful legs which didn't come from hours in the gym his action was discribe as like a  wave  coming up the beach. And crashing onto the shore .

He was also a decent bat over 9000 runs and three centuries

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