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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2640 on: December 29, 2017, 05:21:36 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on December 29, 2017, 04:04:37 PM
England has an opportunity to make the best of their amazing talent pool and realigning their teams. Root needs to step down from captaincy. Cook should retire. New bowlers should be brought in. Yes, it will create a lot of noise but it needs to happen in the run-up to the world cup and Test championship next year.

Didnt we do that when we sacked kp? And we've been crap while chopping and changing the team since.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2641 on: December 29, 2017, 05:26:35 PM »
When you are talking about retirement of the big established players you need to look further ahead.

Example - they aren't going to retire before an English summer because that's easy to play in at home and a better chance of wickets/runs.

Look further ahead and you see England are due to tour Sri Lanka in Oct-Nov 2018 and West Indies in Jan-Feb 2019 - possibly 2 of the easiest away tours there are at the moment.

They could be around for a while yet injuries permitting
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2642 on: December 29, 2017, 05:29:22 PM »
Before India won their world cup in 2011, Dhoni got rid of a lot of senior players. Change is tough but necessary.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2643 on: December 29, 2017, 05:33:10 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on December 29, 2017, 05:29:22 PM
Before India won their world cup in 2011, Dhoni got rid of a lot of senior players. Change is tough but necessary.

So, what talent pool do englsnd have ??
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2644 on: December 29, 2017, 05:46:52 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on December 29, 2017, 05:33:10 PM
So, what talent pool do englsnd have ??

Are you serious? Or is that a half posterior attempt at mocking my post?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2645 on: December 29, 2017, 05:53:10 PM »
Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on December 29, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
Can you let us know where this "amazing talent pool" is please?

It's called the County Championship. But we're doing our best to destroy it.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2646 on: December 29, 2017, 06:04:43 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on December 29, 2017, 05:53:10 PM
It's called the County Championship. But we're doing our best to destroy it.

Really?
There are arguably too many counties to produce that many great players.

With 18 sides that's a minimum of 198 players. How many of those are county journeymen, who are making a living being mediocre cricketers?

The championship could well produce a lot of star players, but I think a lot needs to be changed to make it so.
For a start removing archaic coaching of the textbook to all players, and get the England boys regularly playing for their counties again.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2647 on: December 29, 2017, 06:07:49 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on December 29, 2017, 05:46:52 PM
Are you serious? Or is that a half posterior attempt at mocking my post?

I’m serious.

Name some amazing talent that are seriously capable of being  a test quality batter, bowler or keeper ?

There are plenty of white ball so forget those formats as they are common
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2648 on: December 29, 2017, 06:26:07 PM »
If there were more  Joe  Roots and better  quality bowlers  in  the counties they would be in the England team or the A team
Sadly for England there currently is not.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2649 on: December 29, 2017, 06:38:02 PM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on December 29, 2017, 06:26:07 PM
If there were more  Joe  Roots and better  quality bowlers  in  the counties they would be in the England team or the A team
Sadly for England there currently is not.

Are there even that may fringe players for, if not the full side, the Lions?

Hameed
Northeast

Anyone else that springs to mind as a future prospect?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2650 on: December 29, 2017, 06:52:33 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on December 29, 2017, 05:46:52 PM
Are you serious? Or is that a half posterior attempt at mocking my post?

He asked a simple question. twice. I'm unsure why you aren't willing to back up the statement you made?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2651 on: December 29, 2017, 11:16:50 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on December 29, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
4 sentences to the right of the sentence "England has an opportunity to make the best of their amazing talent pool and realigning their teams".

Repeating the line doesn't answer the question, realign the teams with what or who? Genuinely curious as to your thoughts behind this
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2652 on: December 29, 2017, 11:17:28 PM »
A bit sad to see so many empty seats at the iconic MCG
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2653 on: December 29, 2017, 11:40:03 PM »
As previously noted by one or two members, the pitches in England make it difficult for quality young players to prosper. Players like Darrens Stevens and Masters and Keith Barker are/were always near the top of the wickets column. Imagine them bowling to Smith at Perth or Kohli in Mumbai - carnage. The dukes ball also comes into play although when trialled in the Sheffield shield it proved less effective on hard pitches

We need good batting pitches in the CC - for the first two days at least - where pace makes a difference. Tom Helm and George Garton should be encouraged to go 90mph+ not left out of the teams for 80mph line and lengthers.

These hard pitches will also encourage the likes of Joe Clarke and Liam Livingstone to play their shots not simply survive

At the moment the CC is producing players that prosper in English conditions along with probably NZ and maybe SA. In the rest of the world we look clueless.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2654 on: December 30, 2017, 12:09:59 AM »
Quote from: brokenbat on December 29, 2017, 11:17:28 PM
A bit sad to see so many empty seats at the iconic MCG

Not a particularly nice way to describe the barmy army.  :D
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