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Mister Le Chiffre

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2760 on: January 04, 2018, 07:59:53 AM »
Joe out for 83...yet another missed 100
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2761 on: January 04, 2018, 08:04:02 AM »
Fudge Jonny gone as well
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2762 on: January 04, 2018, 08:07:35 AM »
Another pretty 50 for Root... 🙄

Is it time to start questioning whether he has the temperament to bat so high in the order? 50-80 is never going to win you test matches.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2763 on: January 04, 2018, 08:12:36 AM »
Quote from: Calzehbhoy on January 04, 2018, 08:07:35 AM
Another pretty 50 for Root... 🙄

Is it time to start questioning whether he has the temperament to bat so high in the order? 50-80 is never going to win you test matches.

Maybe if we had others that could take his spot, a pretty 50-80 is better than a pretty 0-30.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2764 on: January 04, 2018, 08:18:31 AM »
Absolutely criminal from Root. To get out at that point when Aus has just taken the new ball and expose everyone.

Also i have to ask where is the nightwatchman!

I really can't see us getting us getting 300 - unless somehow Mo finds some form!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2765 on: January 04, 2018, 08:29:15 AM »
Foolish decision from Jonny to go in tonight!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2766 on: January 04, 2018, 08:36:00 AM »
Quote from: JB on January 04, 2018, 08:29:15 AM
Foolish decision from Jonny to go in tonight!

Yep just heard from Malan on TMS that apparently the management leave it up to Batsman to make the decision

Even if Woakes isn't playing then someone else could do the role - Broad
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2767 on: January 04, 2018, 08:56:43 AM »
England simply not clinical enough, and behind the Aussies in that aspect.

I can't see Smith flicking one to square leg after hitting 2 4's in a row just before the end of play - he'd have done everything in his power to still be there tomorrow, piling the runs on

Same with Bairstow - all you had to do was block out 6 balls man!!!!!!

I wonder if we are seeing the flaws in Bayliss's super positive, one-day orientated approach.

and as for letting the England batters decide whether to send out a nightwatchman or not - have a word with yourselves, send out a lamb to the slaughter (Anderson, Currant) and have your batters in the hutch for tomorrow.

Clueless from the management, clueless from the senior batters.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2768 on: January 04, 2018, 09:07:39 AM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on January 04, 2018, 08:56:43 AM
England simply not clinical enough, and behind the Aussies in that aspect.

I can't see Smith flicking one to square leg after hitting 2 4's in a row just before the end of play - he'd have done everything in his power to still be there tomorrow, piling the runs on

Same with Bairstow - all you had to do was block out 6 balls man!!!!!!

I wonder if we are seeing the flaws in Bayliss's super positive, one-day orientated approach.

and as for letting the England batters decide whether to send out a nightwatchman or not - have a word with yourselves, send out a lamb to the slaughter (Anderson, Currant) and have your batters in the hutch for tomorrow.

Clueless from the management, clueless from the senior batters.

Completely agree with you Cat.

Baylis' position surely has to be in question if we lose/get panned in the One Day Tri-Series against AUs and NZ

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2769 on: January 04, 2018, 09:08:16 AM »
Now I know I'm going to get ridiculed for this, but I'm going to propose the following starting line-up for New Zealand (if fit).

The idea is to re-set a few players who are in a bad trot, or who need a bit of a re-think about everything (Root and Ali) and bring experience to the youngsters whilst they are fresh and excited to be playing for England. NZ will be a decent side, but this is an opportunity to put a few things straight.

Farbrace to coach solo, send Bayliss home.

Cook
Stoneman
Gubbins (insert alternative opening bat here, not a much lauded middle order bodge-job)
Bairstow
Malan *
Foakes +
Woakes
Currant
Overton (if fit)
Crane
Anderson

Squad options - Broad / Leach / Jo Clarke


I appreciate Woakes at 7 might be seen as too high, but I reckon he's got the skills for it.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2770 on: January 04, 2018, 09:32:58 AM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on January 04, 2018, 09:08:16 AM
Now I know I'm going to get ridiculed for this, but I'm going to propose the following starting line-up for New Zealand (if fit).

The idea is to re-set a few players who are in a bad trot, or who need a bit of a re-think about everything (Root and Ali) and bring experience to the youngsters whilst they are fresh and excited to be playing for England. NZ will be a decent side, but this is an opportunity to put a few things straight.

Farbrace to coach solo, send Bayliss home.

Cook
Stoneman
Gubbins (insert alternative opening bat here, not a much lauded middle order bodge-job)
Bairstow
Malan *
Foakes +
Woakes
Currant
Overton (if fit)
Crane
Anderson

Squad options - Broad / Leach / Jo Clarke


I appreciate Woakes at 7 might be seen as too high, but I reckon he's got the skills for it.

Bit early to be on the sauce isn't it Brucie! I understand your thinking but there's no way that Root will get rested, I think NZ would lick their lips looking at that team, I reckon Foakes, Woakes and Curran may be a spot too high. Also if Root was rested wouldn't Jimmy take the arm band as current vice captain?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2771 on: January 04, 2018, 09:36:19 AM »
I like Root as a batsman but I really don’t think he has the dusters to be Captain. I’d like to see him just bat and not have the pressure of Captain
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2772 on: January 04, 2018, 09:47:13 AM »
Quote from: Number4 on January 04, 2018, 09:36:19 AM
I like Root as a batsman but I really don’t think he has the dusters to be Captain. I’d like to see him just bat and not have the pressure of Captain

Absolutely agree - he's not currently able to be skipper and top batsman, it's too much for him. I know the ECB would never do it, bit I would give him a month off from NZ to re-charge. Jimmy as vice captain is a bit of a waste of time, he doesn't captain anyway and he'll be gone in a year.

Maybe a better line up would be -

Cook
Stoneman
Gubbins (or AN Other)
Malan *
Clarke
Bairstow +
Livingstone
Woakes
Overton
Crane
Anderson

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2773 on: January 04, 2018, 09:53:58 AM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on January 04, 2018, 09:08:16 AM
Now I know I'm going to get ridiculed for this, but I'm going to propose the following starting line-up for New Zealand (if fit).

The idea is to re-set a few players who are in a bad trot, or who need a bit of a re-think about everything (Root and Ali) and bring experience to the youngsters whilst they are fresh and excited to be playing for England. NZ will be a decent side, but this is an opportunity to put a few things straight.

Farbrace to coach solo, send Bayliss home.

Cook
Stoneman
Gubbins (insert alternative opening bat here, not a much lauded middle order bodge-job)
Bairstow
Malan *
Foakes +
Woakes
Currant
Overton (if fit)
Crane
Anderson

Squad options - Broad / Leach / Jo Clarke


I appreciate Woakes at 7 might be seen as too high, but I reckon he's got the skills for it.

Skills for 7 he has shown in this series he can't get runs or stay in at 8  also if he had hung in with Cook last match  rather than expose the tail England might have won.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2774 on: January 04, 2018, 09:57:53 AM »
Haha, one day you'll warm to Woakesy @Seniorplayer!
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