Topic: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow? (Read 20156 times)

mo_town · « **on:** January 10, 2018, 10:28:56 AM »

Just curious, saw a CJI bat posted on ebay, the description says that it is English willow nurtured in India. Doesnt that technically make it indian willow? Or is it still English willow?

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2018, 10:34:20 AM »

English Willow nurtured in India is sales speak for Kashmir Willow

jayralh · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2018, 11:26:53 AM »

Quote from: mo_town on January 10, 2018, 10:28:56 AM

Just curious, saw a CJI bat posted on ebay, the description says that it is English willow nurtured in India. Doesnt that technically make it indian willow? Or is it still English willow?

I bought that bat 2 years ago for around 40 quid. I didn't know the trick of saying natured in India stuff so fell for it.

I hit massive shots with that bat as it was very light so generate more power and speed but if you time the ball doesn't go far.

For the price you pay it is excellent net bat. I think I will be using mine this season in T20.

mo_town · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2018, 12:13:11 PM »

thats quite interesting...so probably a bat one would want to use in anger. I have heard that Kashmir willow is not as sensitive as English willow and can take some heavy slogging. I had read somewhere that Sehwag used to use Kashmir willow. Not sure how true that is though.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2018, 04:14:34 PM »

Yes he used a steel hammer to knock them in!

billyb · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2018, 04:38:37 PM »

So it is the same species of tree, just grown in the different conditions of India which lends the willow different qualities?

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2018, 04:41:13 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 10, 2018, 04:14:34 PM

Yes he used a steel hammer to knock them in!

I suppose that's the beauty of free kit though.
No matter how effective this is would anyone do it to a bat they'd spent some of their hard earned on?

Actually, I have that Sports Direct GM I plan on using for indoor nets, and I'm sure there's a steel hammer somewhere in the shed...

Neon Cricket · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2018, 06:39:24 PM »

Quote from: billyb on January 10, 2018, 04:38:37 PM

So it is the same species of tree, just grown in the different conditions of India which lends the willow different qualities?

Yes, but the conditions have a HUGE effect. Kashmir willow just isn't as strong, due to the growing conditions it is far more brittle than English willow (hence not being suitable for hard ball cricket).

ppccopener · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2018, 08:35:05 PM »

ive always wondered myself...not that it will change my life.....but if the phrase English willow Is used because the actual trees, baby trees if you like, actually do come from England and are shipped over in mass quantities and then planted very young.

Just something I've wondered over the years

or if it's just a willow tree at starts its life in India so the phrase 'English' would then be misleading.

you would think I would know the answer to this question being a middling bat nerd that I am

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2018, 09:23:28 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on January 10, 2018, 04:41:13 PM

I suppose that's the beauty of free kit though.
No matter how effective this is would anyone do it to a bat they'd spent some of their hard earned on?

Actually, I have that Sports Direct GM I plan on using for indoor nets, and I'm sure there's a steel hammer somewhere in the shed...

Eric Loxton, I think, used to like to knock bats in with a steel hammer. I seem to remember him adding a "don't try this at home" type comment when revealing this, though.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2018, 10:21:50 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on January 10, 2018, 09:23:28 PM

Eric Loxton, I think, used to like to knock bats in with a steel hammer. I seem to remember him adding a "don't try this at home" type comment when revealing this, though.

You got me with "don't try this at home"!

I'll get some pictures at this weekend of how the bat looks now (used but with no real prep) and keep you updated on my "progress"
Does anyone have any predictions how this will go?

Whatever the outcome, I can't help but think this Sports Direct plank could be the best �40 I've ever spent on something to intentionally destroy...

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2018, 10:19:27 AM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on January 10, 2018, 10:21:50 PM

You got me with "don't try this at home"!

I'll get some pictures at this weekend of how the bat looks now (used but with no real prep) and keep you updated on my "progress"
Does anyone have any predictions how this will go?

Whatever the outcome, I can't help but think this Sports Direct plank could be the best �40 I've ever spent on something to intentionally destroy...

It will go okay but due to Kashmir willow being more brittle there will be lots of surface cracks especially around the edges working from the middle of the bat out towards the edges may reduce them.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2018, 10:29:14 AM »

@Seniorplayer the bat was sold as English willow mate. I'm not convinced it is, but if ever there was a plank to abuse with a steel hammer for "science" this is the one!

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2018, 10:39:02 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 10, 2018, 08:35:05 PM

ive always wondered myself...not that it will change my life.....but if the phrase English willow Is used because the actual trees, baby trees if you like, actually do come from England and are shipped over in mass quantities and then planted very young.

Just something I've wondered over the years or if it's just a willow tree at starts its life in India so the phrase 'English' would then be misleading.

you would think I would know the answer to this question being a middling bat nerd that I am

By of calling it English willow nurtured in India confuses many personally
Don't really see how willow grown in the hilly regions of Kashmir can be called English willow nurtured in India as its either English willow or Kashmir. Willow.

mo_town · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2018, 10:57:22 AM »

I think English willow nurtured in India and Kashmir willow are two different things; the difference being the actual tree.

I always thought that it was the complete opposite, Kashmir willow is much tougher than English willow i.e. tougher fibres thus making it less pingy. As someone mentioned, you could use to for slogging but it u try and time or place the ball around it wouldnt work as well.

Author Topic: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow? (Read 20156 times)

mo_town

Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

WalkingWicket37

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

jayralh

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

mo_town

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

Seniorplayer

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

billyb

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

WalkingWicket37

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

Neon Cricket

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

ppccopener

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

Bats_Entertainment

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

WalkingWicket37

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

Seniorplayer

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

WalkingWicket37

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

Seniorplayer

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?

mo_town

Re: Is English Willow nurtured in India still English willow?