Topic: AUS vs ENG ODI series (Read 38360 times)

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #60 on:** January 19, 2018, 10:22:33 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on January 19, 2018, 09:17:06 PM

The selectors are investing in woakes to replace Anderson.

Yes but when your investment continually fails to pay dividends you invest elsewhere

Alvaro · « **Reply #61 on:** January 19, 2018, 10:33:37 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 19, 2018, 10:00:52 PM

My 2p is that Morgan is the only player who could be dropped but he�s skipper. It�ll be Rashid who will pay the price imo

Moeen bowled well enough and bats which for white ball is what you want. Woakes again bowls well and bats well.

Nice to have a format England are good at

I would have Morgan in the side simply as skipper. He could bat 11 and still be worth his place in the side.

Alvaro · « **Reply #62 on:** January 19, 2018, 10:34:09 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 19, 2018, 10:22:33 PM

Yes but when your investment continually fails to pay dividends you invest elsewhere

Honestly, who else is there?

ppccopener · « **Reply #63 on:** January 19, 2018, 11:06:27 PM »

Anderson has not played one day cricket for ages slightly off kilter here, def think Woakes will replace Anderson but it's the test side not one dayers....as good as a Jimmy is his one day record is poor and won't get a recall.

The different views on a Woakes in the test team slightly depends on whether you think he is one of the best seamers available.He is also a good bat and a crack fielder...all in all a good cricketer, in the test team he gets in my 11 all day long.

Of the test seamers we have, if you work out who is the best you might find its a short list

Anderson miles ahead of anyone
Broad
Woakes.

Broad had a poor tour, Woakes also a below standard Ashes(senior is right about that).

Then it's a bit of guesswork and unproven test bowlers(seamers)

Overton
Plunkett
Wood?
Curran?

So when Alvaro says 'who else' he has a point.

In my opinion Woakes is one of the best 3 seam bowlers we have available to pick. he also is an allrounder, not Kallis I grant you-but he is one

Mattsky · « **Reply #64 on:** January 20, 2018, 12:08:07 AM »

...and yet. Woakes is a like-for-like replacement for Stokes. And not quite as good as Stokes in either department. Yet.
However, if they're not too fussed about what Rashid brings to the table, then they could conceivably retain Woakes - so it could be Rashid, depending on the wicket.
I can't see them dropping Mo. They'll stick with him and hope he plays himself back into form. If they dropped him, Root would then be England's front-line offie! And that would mean having to retain Rashid - and therefore Woakes would probably be dropped by default as a result!
I do like what Woakes offers, though. And he's relatively young. Nice to have the dilemma, really.

edge · « **Reply #65 on:** January 20, 2018, 12:47:23 AM »

Simple to see who Stokes replaces, just look back in time - it's Hales, Bairstow or Roy. I'd drop Bairstow personally.
Stokes bats 5 and bowls as required, Woakes opens the bowling and bats 8/9, I fail to see how they're competing for the same spot?

Buzz · « **Reply #66 on:** January 20, 2018, 07:22:36 AM »

The reality is that Root will be rested at some point when stokes comes back. Then Moeen or one of the other all format players.
I wouldn't overly worry about this. As to 2019 world cup, whomever is in the best form will play. Why split hairs about a luxury.

six and out · « **Reply #67 on:** January 20, 2018, 07:38:32 AM »

Quote from: Buzz on January 20, 2018, 07:22:36 AM

The reality is that Root will be rested at some point when stokes comes back. Then Moeen or one of the other all format players.
I wouldn't overly worry about this. As to 2019 world cup, whomever is in the best form will play. Why split hairs about a luxury.

Exactly this.... they will simply rotate by resting the all format players and then worry about selecting a side at the 2019 WC.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #68 on:** January 20, 2018, 10:03:37 AM »

Quote from: Tailendfielder on January 19, 2018, 09:58:58 PM

No chance it will be woakes. As adie is hinting, stokes is a great player but not convinced his the complete allrounder that could be selected as batter or bowler alone.

Stokes not the complete allrounder read this when I came out the pub thought I was drunk.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 20, 2018, 10:13:19 AM »

Anyone got the stats ?

csnew · « **Reply #70 on:** January 20, 2018, 10:34:44 AM »

Think stokes white ball bowling stats are pretty poor. Averages 38 with the ball at an economy of 6+

springbok45 · « **Reply #71 on:** January 20, 2018, 10:39:27 AM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 20, 2018, 10:13:19 AM

Anyone got the stats ?

All from cricinfo career odi stats.

Batting Stokes' 35, Woakes 26, Mo 29, Rash 23, Root 51
Bowling Stokes' 38, Woakes 31, Mo 50, Rash 32, Root 52

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #72 on:** January 20, 2018, 11:11:45 AM »

Quote from: springbok45 on January 20, 2018, 10:39:27 AM

All from cricinfo career odi stats.

Batting Stokes' 35, Woakes 26, Mo 29, Rash 23, Root 51
Bowling Stokes' 38, Woakes 31, Mo 50, Rash 32, Root 52

Take your pick, horses for courses

LateBloomer · « **Reply #73 on:** January 20, 2018, 11:20:29 AM »

Stokes walks in any ODI team in the world. Root would most probably aswell. The other 3 wouldn't

In any case England are lucky to have all 5 available to them

Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 20, 2018, 10:03:37 AM

Stokes not the complete allrounder read this when I came out the pub thought I was drunk.

I agree, can win a game with bat or ball and is Englands best fielder. If he's not a complete allrounder then England have never had one

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #74 on:** January 20, 2018, 11:36:53 AM »

Quote from: springbok45 on January 20, 2018, 10:39:27 AM

All from cricinfo career odi stats.

Batting Stokes' 35, Woakes 26, Mo 29, Rash 23, Root 51
Bowling Stokes' 38, Woakes 31, Mo 50, Rash 32, Root 52

Woakes ODI batting ave boosted by 17 not out outs from 50 innings

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