Topic: AUS vs ENG ODI series (Read 38388 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #225 on:** January 28, 2018, 06:04:21 PM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on January 28, 2018, 11:51:35 AM

Who are you dropping for Livingstone?
He might be half decent but this top 6 has fired for the last 2 years so he'll have to do something pretty special to get a game on merit. And Stokes will be back in the side before him aswell

Dominant series from England, even in difficult spells showed plenty of fight and almost won a match from 8-5. Without a doubt the current ODI squad is the best England have had since I started watching cricket in the mid 90s.

For all Australias dominance in the Test series they really looked clueless in this format with no real strategy or identity. Summed up by a couple of panic picks and constant reshuffling of the order. Worth the air fare to witness

Yes your right, we have the best side in living memory and since the World Cup our cricket has changed so much, it's actually a joy to watch.
You're right also stokes must come back in, so does Woakes, he's may not be the 'brummie botham(I was joking when I posted that the other day!) but he is a quality player.Woakes coming in down the order we are spoilt we really are.not mentioned his bowling either, or fielding.

Wood comes back he has pace and probably Plunkett, what about Curran? Absolutely superb from him today, top class bowling and he won us the match.

So....we can't get everyone one in, point taken.

But......we have won just a single major one day tournament since I've been watching England,semi final of the ICC last year(I bought a ticket for the final convinced we would win), final of the T20 when we lost in that last over, so 1 T20 trophy we have.

Next year is our chance to win a major tournament, we have to nail it, we are good enough I'm sure, what wickets we play on may play a part.

So yes livingstone is back of he que. if I'm picking the team, someone else plays instead of Hales in my opinion.Root 3 probably and see from there...
Unlike the test side, we actually have 15 very good players we could pick from.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #226 on:** January 28, 2018, 07:02:33 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 28, 2018, 06:04:21 PM

Yes your right, we have the best side in living memory and since the World Cup our cricket has changed so much, it's actually a joy to watch.
You're right also stokes must come back in, so does Woakes, he's may not be the 'brummie botham(I was joking when I posted that the other day!) but he is a quality player.Woakes coming in down the order we are spoilt we really are.not mentioned his bowling either, or fielding.

Wood comes back he has pace and probably Plunkett, what about Curran? Absolutely superb from him today, top class bowling and he won us the match.

So....we can't get everyone one in, point taken.

But......we have won just a single major one day tournament since I've been watching England,semi final of the ICC last year(I bought a ticket for the final convinced we would win), final of the T20 when we lost in that last over, so 1 T20 trophy we have.

Next year is our chance to win a major tournament, we have to nail it, we are good enough I'm sure, what wickets we play on may play a part.

So yes livingstone is back of he que. if I'm picking the team, someone else plays instead of Hales in my opinion.Root 3 probably and see from there...
Unlike the test side, we actually have 15 very good players we could pick from.

Not trying to be controversial but after the way Curran bowled today and with Plukett to come back wouldn't have thought Woakes averaging under 1.4 ( 99 wickets from 71 matches ) is as nailed on as we think.

Manormanic · « **Reply #227 on:** January 28, 2018, 07:05:00 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 07:02:33 PM

Not trying to be controversial but after the way Curran bowled today and with Plukett to come back wouldn't have thought Woakes averaging under 1.4 ( 99 wickets from 71 matches ) is as nailed on as we think.

Errr...yes you are trying to be controversial.

Look, I agree that Woakes is not the world beater in Test cricket. But in ODIs he is pretty useful - as a bowler who can use the new ball, has few nerves under pressure, and especially as a batsmen down the order.

Curran has a good game - against a poor side, in a dead rubber. He has not even jumped ahead of Willey yet, let alone the lads who are first pick!

Alvaro · « **Reply #228 on:** January 28, 2018, 07:19:49 PM »

There is a Woakes parallel with Curran. In his second or this ODI- which was in Australia in a losing team - he took 6-45.

Probably worth keeping one�s powder dry on Curran.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #229 on:** January 28, 2018, 07:35:55 PM »

Quote from: Alvaro on January 28, 2018, 07:19:49 PM

There is a Woakes parallel with Curran. In his second or this ODI- which was in Australia in a losing team - he took 6-45.

Probably worth keeping one�s powder dry on Curran.

Agree early days on Curran but you can see his potenial impressed with the way he bowled late outswing in swing and straight in his overs

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #230 on:** January 28, 2018, 07:55:56 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 07:05:00 PM

Errr...yes you are trying to be controversial.

Look, I agree that Woakes is not the world beater in Test cricket. But in ODIs he is pretty useful - as a bowler who can use the new ball, has few nerves under pressure, and especially as a batsmen down the order.

Curran has a good game - against a poor side, in a dead rubber. He has not even jumped ahead of Willey yet, let alone the lads who are first pick!

No not being controversial just don't see after 71 matches an average of 1.4 wickets as good enough but yes useful at times with the bat down the order against limited bowling attacks

fros23 · « **Reply #231 on:** January 28, 2018, 08:35:54 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 07:55:56 PM

No not being controversial just don't see after 71 matches an average of 1.4 wickets as good enough but yes useful at times with the bat down the order against limited bowling attacks

What average is good enough then?

Manormanic · « **Reply #232 on:** January 28, 2018, 08:43:17 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 28, 2018, 07:55:56 PM

No not being controversial just don't see after 71 matches an average of 1.4 wickets as good enough but yes useful at times with the bat down the order against limited bowling attacks

Actually, that's not at all bad, and compares well with most ODI all rounders

Alvaro · « **Reply #233 on:** January 28, 2018, 08:49:44 PM »

He doesn�t cite sources @fros23

FattusCattus · « **Reply #234 on:** January 28, 2018, 08:50:30 PM »

gotta be honest with you @Manormanic , it's early days for him, but I think Currant might be level pegging with Willey. I don;t think we've seen the best of Willey in an England shirt, he's not the most effective bowler - but I think he still noses ahead because of the variety his left arm gives. I'd bat him as high as possible and let him tw*t the hell out of him/

Rashid is a wicket taker (albeit an expensive one) with Stokes back in the side he stays in.

Hales is ahead of Bairstow in the pecking order.

Therefore our best side is -

Hales
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Rashid
Wood

edge · « **Reply #235 on:** January 28, 2018, 08:53:04 PM »

I'd have Plunkett ahead of Willey but otherwise agree with that, when Stokes returns to the top 5 Bairstow drops out with Hales returning to opening.

Alvaro · « **Reply #236 on:** January 28, 2018, 08:55:33 PM »

Agreed.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #237 on:** January 28, 2018, 08:57:34 PM »

Yeah, I can't believe I left Plunko!!! He probably edges ahead of Willey - but it's ok, Wood will never play 5 ODI's in a row, so Willey will get in at some point (fnrr! fnrr!)

Manormanic · « **Reply #238 on:** January 28, 2018, 09:00:28 PM »

How is Hales ahead of Bairstow?

FattusCattus · « **Reply #239 on:** January 28, 2018, 09:08:41 PM »

Why would you drop him?

You can't drop him and put Bairstow in because he's from Yorkshire?

What has Hales done to be dropped?

If you're dropping anyone it's Morgan - but he;' one of the more skillful ODI skippers we've got.

I'll tell you what, I'll drop Root for Bairstow - how does that work?

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