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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #435 on: March 25, 2018, 03:46:52 PM »
Only last series Lyon was talking about how Australia were going to destroy some careers.
Turns out that he meant their own!
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« Reply #436 on: March 25, 2018, 03:57:08 PM »
Interesting email sent to anybody that is signed up to Cricket Australias mailing list....


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To our Australian Cricket Fans, 

We are sorry. 

We are sorry that you had to wake up this morning to news from South Africa that our Australian Men’s Cricket team and our Captain admitted to conduct that is outside both the Laws of our game and the Spirit of Cricket.

This behaviour calls into question the integrity of the team and Cricket Australia.

Following discussions with Steve Smith and David Warner they have agreed to stand down as Captain and Vice-Captain respectively for the remainder of this Test match.

As I said at a media conference earlier today, Cricket Australia and Australian cricket fans expect high standards from cricketers representing our country, and on this occasion these standards have not been met.

We know how you feel and have heard your feedback loud and clear. We share your anger and disappointment.

As you would be aware, we have launched an immediate investigation into what transpired in Cape Town, and our Head of Integrity is travelling to South Africa as we speak.

All Australians, like us, want answers and we will keep you updated on our findings, as a matter of urgency.



James Sutherland
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #437 on: March 25, 2018, 03:58:08 PM »
Quote from: csnew on March 25, 2018, 03:43:38 PM
Will smith front up for the presentations?

Probably not given Paine is “captain”. Time mr lehmann also front up, he’s been vocal previously but appears to be hiding

Unfair on Paine having to apologise at the presentation and answer questions smith should be.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #438 on: March 25, 2018, 04:29:56 PM »
Both Smith and Warner could face life bans from Cricket Australia

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22908218/steven-smith-david-warner-face-life-ban-ca
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #439 on: March 25, 2018, 04:41:13 PM »
Quote from: KD4 on March 25, 2018, 04:29:56 PM
Both Smith and Warner could face life bans from Cricket Australia

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22908218/steven-smith-david-warner-face-life-ban-ca


Not going to happen. If at all anything Bancroft might be banned for life. If Lehman takes the fall then Smith & Warner will be safe.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #440 on: March 25, 2018, 04:43:17 PM »
Bancroft should just get his one game ban.
He was just the tool.
Smith, Warner and Lehman should get one year bans from all cricket (including t20 merry go round).
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« Reply #441 on: March 25, 2018, 04:49:11 PM »
Quote from: KD4 on March 25, 2018, 04:29:56 PM
Both Smith and Warner could face life bans from Cricket Australia

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22908218/steven-smith-david-warner-face-life-ban-ca


Keep on dreaming.

They will huff and puff and do a few investigations and then it’ll all go back to normal and warner, smith and co will continue to earn mega bucks and fans, just like with hales, Stokes and all those before them.. will forget it

I mean, just look at how most people were over stokes..
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« Reply #442 on: March 25, 2018, 05:00:00 PM »
^ Stokes hasn't been charged yet and has the impending court case to come, although I completely take on board the ICCs impotence. A one game ban is not a deterrent. If anything teams could use it in their favour...

However, I tbink the noises coming from CA and the ASC are that there will be a far heavier punishment. It won't be a life ban, but i bet it will be more than one game.  It's not as serious as match fixing, which is illegal, but it is cheating. Life bans are out of the question and quite rightly. Smith and Warner have a big problem.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #443 on: March 25, 2018, 05:10:14 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 25, 2018, 04:49:11 PM
Keep on dreaming.

They will huff and puff and do a few investigations and then it’ll all go back to normal and warner, smith and co will continue to earn mega bucks and fans, just like with hales, Stokes and all those before them.. will forget it

I mean, just look at how most people were over stokes..

Why do you keep comparing this to the Stokes incident??

This effects the game directly, happy during a game and the vast majority of people are united that it is harmful to the game.

 The Stokes incident (for which he is yet to be found guilty) did not effect the game directly and was probably at a 50/50 split with some actually praising his actions...
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #444 on: March 25, 2018, 05:33:14 PM »
There is a difference between one individual doing ball tampering at the moment and getting caught. But in this case it's decided beforehand by senior players/management at lunch break. I am sure atleast 4 to 5 players are involved/knew about this.

They were trying to damage the ball to get it changed. Apparently the old ball from the box reverses more. Starc took 5 wickets in a spell in the first test and that was with a changed ball. This time the umpires did not change the ball. Their plan did not work.

The question is how long is this going on for?
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #445 on: March 25, 2018, 05:39:05 PM »
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #446 on: March 25, 2018, 05:41:26 PM »
Broad mentioned the Aussies have had it reversing for the ashes and the last couple of matches. So why would the senior management be using this new method now.

Sounds more like they’ve been doing it for a while.


If a player like AB (with his reputitation and creditabity) comes out and says warner must be doing something with the tape on his hands - he must’ve spotted something not right. For Warner to suddendly avoid shining the ball in the first innings (before this incident) and Bancroft take over is sign of guilt.

Can’t hide that this has been going on for a while.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #447 on: March 25, 2018, 05:49:10 PM »
Here is what I expect to happen...

1. Lehman will be found as the root cause and will be banned for life from international cricket.
2. Smith & Warner might be dropped from the side for a year or so. IPL/BBL/T20 contracts also might go belly up.
3. Tim Paine will continue to lead the team for next few months until new coach/captain combo arises.

If at all anything Lehman should have come out in the press conference and accepted the team’s fault. As the senior most person of the team and coach - he should bear the responsibility for such behavior. Sending Tim Paine out to apologize was an act of throwing him under the bus!
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #448 on: March 25, 2018, 05:55:29 PM »
I don't see Lehmann being banned for life, if at all - aside from my expressed concerns about the fact that it just isn't in keeping with his previous actions and attitude to the game, I note that Smith, Bancroft and Warner all said the coaching team knew nowt about it.

There is a danger of overrreaction here.  I think an appropriate response would be to ban Smith and Warner from all cricket until after Australia's next Test.  The loss of IPL moolah and the stain on their reputations will be sanction enough. 
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #449 on: March 25, 2018, 06:39:46 PM »
Sorry but for me there's no difference in the Australian crisis and the Pakistani match fixing crisis of 2010.

Just at Butt twisted Amir's arm into bowling no balls. Here Smith/Warner etc twisted Bancroft into tampering with the ball. Bancroft comes across as quite immature and not very intelligent so probably went along as to get in with Smith/Warner leadership group.

Smith merits an extended ban from all cricket maybe 12-24 months. Warner probably similar. Lehmann life ban if he actually fronts up and speaks to the media. Bancroft maybe a shorter ban 6 months.

A little slap on the wrist isn't going to be a deterrent
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