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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #450 on: March 25, 2018, 06:44:27 PM »

Sorry but for me there's no difference in the Australian crisis and the Pakistani match fixing crisis of 2010.

Just at Butt twisted Amir's arm into bowling no balls. Here Smith/Warner etc twisted Bancroft into tampering with the ball. Bancroft comes across as quite immature and not very intelligent so probably went along as to get in with Smith/Warner leadership group.

Smith merits an extended ban from all cricket maybe 12-24 months. Warner probably similar. Lehmann life ban if he actually fronts up and speaks to the media. Bancroft maybe a shorter ban 6 months.

A little slap on the wrist isn't going to be a deterrent

Sorry however this is odious the truth is ALL SIDES have cheated in the last calender year just they got caught.

For me something needs to be done but no nation is not guilty at all. Sad indictment is the old time players coming out and jumping on the band wagon when in there day i assure you something went amiss.

Cricket needs a shake up hopefully this is it.

I have played quite a bit of high level t20 and we soften the ball as every good side does is that not the same and before you say sides don't look at a new ball it hardly touches the floor. In white ball it all that happens outside the ring or not.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #451 on: March 25, 2018, 06:50:48 PM »

Sorry however this is odious the truth is ALL SIDES have cheated in the last calender year just they got caught.

For me something needs to be done but no nation is not guilty at all. Sad indictment is the old time players coming out and jumping on the band wagon when in there day i assure you something went amiss.

Cricket needs a shake up hopefully this is it.

I have played quite a bit of high level t20 and we soften the ball as every good side does is that not the same and before you say sides don't look at a new ball it hardly touches the floor. In white ball it all that happens outside the ring or not.
The difference being Steven Smith admitted on international television it was pre planned and they wanted to cheat to win.

Whether x y z cheated is irrelevant. The captain(probably former) of Australia and best batsman on the planet(according to the stats) destroyed the customs of the game
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #452 on: March 25, 2018, 07:05:10 PM »

Sorry but for me there's no difference in the Australian crisis and the Pakistani match fixing crisis of 2010.

Just at Butt twisted Amir's arm into bowling no balls. Here Smith/Warner etc twisted Bancroft into tampering with the ball. Bancroft comes across as quite immature and not very intelligent so probably went along as to get in with Smith/Warner leadership group.

Smith merits an extended ban from all cricket maybe 12-24 months. Warner probably similar. Lehmann life ban if he actually fronts up and speaks to the media. Bancroft maybe a shorter ban 6 months.

A little slap on the wrist isn't going to be a deterrent

I don't think match fixing or rather the deliberate bowling of no balls in 2010 and tampering with the ball which is far more common is comparable in terms of how serious the two 'offences' are but

You make a very good comparison with Amir and Bancroft. I see exactly the same senario here too with a junior member of the team being made/persuaded to do the deed. We saw Brancroft in the interview say he was 'very nervous about doing it' but 'heard it talked about by the senior group '.

The pre planned nature of this is perhaps why this has really kicked off. Today we found out Sutherland has spoken to Smith before about the team behaviour.

International sports stars most of the time have the backing of the average fan, we all want our National team to do well.

It seems this team , and I'm not  the least bit surprised, is not popular in Australia, and that's what CA will know very well.

I don't think myself Lehamnn,Smith and Warner and the rest of the group will get away with it because of the pre planned nature of it and chucking a newbie under the bus.

Cricket Australia seem in the mood to had our decent bans and clean up a bit.

Jason Gillespie has written a good article in the Guardian today,he is not a rose tinted ex player, it's worth a read.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #453 on: March 25, 2018, 07:23:29 PM »

The difference being Steven Smith admitted on international television it was pre planned and they wanted to cheat to win.

Whether x y z cheated is irrelevant. The captain(probably former) of Australia and best batsman on the planet(according to the stats) destroyed the customs of the game

Mate i agree it piss poor but England have done it all have done it. Faf did it with sweets and yes he did it. (pre planned or not every nation messes with the ball in some degree.

It time cricket cleaned up from all nations thats my point.

The real thing is Australia are at the minute public enemy number 1 because of there behaviour and this has added but do not be blinkered unless the crime is getting caught.

It why players from other nations are a bit sheepish with condemming.

And in truth it happens at the weekend too. I opened in a league game last year and dropped one down i picked up the ball and my god one half looked like wolverine had been at it. (wasting his time he was much better than me anyway).






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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #454 on: March 26, 2018, 07:52:07 AM »

Wonder if NB will terminate their sponsorship for Smith as they did with Stokes
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #455 on: March 26, 2018, 08:57:02 AM »

Wonder if NB will terminate their sponsorship for Smith as they did with Stokes

Would be very surprised if they don't drop him, bit pot kettle if they don't after setting the precedent with Stokes. There's an argument for what Smith did being worse than Stokes from a sponsorship point of view too.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #456 on: March 26, 2018, 09:09:27 AM »

Let’s have a look at players caught ball tampering:

Sachin Tendulkar
John Lever
Waqar Younis
Rahul Dravid
Shoaib Akhtar
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Markus Trescothick
Michael Atherton
Du Plessis x 2
Philander
Shahid Afridi
Jimmy Anderson
Stuart Broad
Bancroft
Smith







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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #458 on: March 26, 2018, 09:57:30 AM »

At lest now we know where Smith got the idea

As usual more mixed messages from the ICC. Plenty of sides ball temper as faf has done this time. So let's see it either enforced or legalise ball tempering and allow each side some sand paper.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #459 on: March 26, 2018, 12:14:57 PM »

Let’s have a look at players caught ball tampering:

Sachin Tendulkar
John Lever
Waqar Younis
Rahul Dravid
Shoaib Akhtar
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Markus Trescothick
Michael Atherton
Du Plessis x 2
Philander
Shahid Afridi
Jimmy Anderson
Stuart Broad
Bancroft
Smith

Wasn’t there an incident with KP and jelly babies a few years back? I could be wildly off the mark but I think harbajan Singh was involved somehow
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #460 on: March 26, 2018, 12:37:25 PM »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1559013/Jelly-beans-sour-England-Test-against-India.html

Spot on, used to shine the ball apparently. However, in this case Zaheer Khan thought the scattering of jelly beans might have been a pop at him.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #461 on: March 26, 2018, 03:01:17 PM »

Let’s have a look at players caught ball tampering:

Sachin Tendulkar
John Lever
Waqar Younis
Rahul Dravid
Shoaib Akhtar
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Markus Trescothick
Michael Atherton
Du Plessis x 2
Philander
Shahid Afridi
Jimmy Anderson
Stuart Broad
Bancroft
Smith

I don't think anyone is arguing that everybody else is a saint, it's just that Aus cricket has given the impression that they would not cross that line.

Now, they've left themselves open to ridicule and doubt. Did they cheat in the Ashes? Maybe sugar was used to reverse swing the ball. Who knew what and when? The list goes on.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #462 on: March 26, 2018, 03:59:28 PM »

Will smith front up for the presentations?

Probably not given Paine is “captain”. Time mr lehmann also front up, he’s been vocal previously but appears to be hiding


Whats Will Smith got to do with any of this ?  :D
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #463 on: March 26, 2018, 07:38:43 PM »

Isn't the internet great 😂

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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #464 on: March 26, 2018, 08:14:16 PM »

Ha ha that's class!
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