Topic: Sa vs aus (Read 101845 times)

iand123 · « **Reply #510 on:** March 27, 2018, 07:05:30 PM »

A lot of rumours that Warner has �gone rogue� and a lot of the other players have had enough of him. Could see this becoming similar to KP and England in that they may choose to not select him anymore, even after any ban may has passed

kdale6 · « **Reply #511 on:** March 27, 2018, 07:22:44 PM »

Quote from: jamielsn15 on March 27, 2018, 06:29:51 PM

I find it equally hard to believe that a manager can know what all of his charges are doing every second of every day. That's all. Who knows if the other players told the investigators that Lehman tore a strip off the three players? And he did offer to step down.

Simple answer is, we don't know. Thats all im saying. Smith Warner and Bancroft deserve to get long bans that will most likely end one international career. But i dont want to see players and staff who weren't involved tarred with the same brush. Who would?

Irrespective of whether he not he knew about it from the outset and was involved in the planning, Lehmann knew full well what he was doing when he sent Handscomb out to let them know they�d been busted

Blank Bats · « **Reply #512 on:** March 27, 2018, 08:31:41 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 27, 2018, 05:51:43 PM

The guardian says the 'laeaderahip group' is smith and Warner

Lyon,Hazlewood and Starc reported to be furious with what has gone on

Didn�t the bowlers know something was up, I mean it would be them who would handle the ball most.

ppccopener · « **Reply #513 on:** March 27, 2018, 08:39:10 PM »

Quote from: Blank Bats on March 27, 2018, 08:31:41 PM

Didn�t the bowlers know something was up, I mean it would be them who would handle the ball most.

Do you know what I don't think the public has the full story here by any means. They have delayed announcing any bans for legal reasons surely. They must want to ban the 3 of them for some time and are just checking they can do that.

I even read a report this evening from Jim maxwell saying as he understands it Smith did not know the extent of what was going to be done and it was down to Warner!!

I do believe it's possible myself Starc and maybe Lyon and Hazlewood were not in on what was going on, it's possible I suppose there is a split in that dressing room.

As has been said earlier....we don't really know and any number of things could happen. Warner thou....seems out on his own, the team has turned against him

Maybe they want to save their own skins?

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #514 on:** March 27, 2018, 08:52:23 PM »

Interesting that Warner turned a reverend during the big bats days and was scoring heavily then. We can see a definite downturn in his form ever since the big bats got banned in 2017. Maybe big bats was what got him going all along. Now that he is not able to score big, consistent runs as before, he must have reverted back to his original aggressive self and all this behavior is a by product of that inherent frustration at the "system" and a feeling of being victimized into using just the full 40 mm, 67 mm bats which he believes is not fair deep down in his heart...So he hatched the plan, seeing that the skip is himself not able to score, he thought he could be easily convinced into accepting it and there is a newcomer with neither a brain nor runs, available to execute..all was going as per plan until one Fanie De Villiers intervened in between and spoilt the whole thing..just a theory...

KD4 · « **Reply #515 on:** March 27, 2018, 08:54:25 PM »

Quote from: iand123 on March 27, 2018, 07:05:30 PM

A lot of rumours that Warner has �gone rogue� and a lot of the other players have had enough of him. Could see this becoming similar to KP and England in that they may choose to not select him anymore, even after any ban may has passed

Jim Maxwell thinks that this it could be the end for Warner.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbctms/status/978713109341855746

ScottParko · « **Reply #516 on:** March 27, 2018, 08:58:13 PM »

Definitely a couple of things not adding up. Smith mentioned leadership group which going on today�s actions means it consists of himself and Warner only. And as many pros/ex pros have said on social media, bowlers like to either be in total control of the ball or as in much control as they can, yet the three punished are batsmen. Starc, Hazlewood & to a lesser extent Lyon fit into the mould of both. I obviously can�t say for sure that they were totally involved but it�s hard to believe they weren�t. They may not have been the total brains behind it but I suspect they will have more than likely been consulted at least.

Blank Bats · « **Reply #517 on:** March 27, 2018, 09:00:47 PM »

How long has this been going on for?

cricketbadger · « **Reply #518 on:** March 27, 2018, 09:33:04 PM »

Smith is screwed whether or not he knew the full extent to what was going on, he's captain its his team and responsibility, so he cops for it.

Can't see how Lehmann has remained, he was clearly involved in the attempt to cover it up, even if he didn't know they were planning it, he's got involved with the deceit

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #519 on:** March 27, 2018, 10:40:35 PM »

They�ve shrunk the circle so that the side isn�t decimated for tests to come and those mentioned are having to bare the brunt of it. I�m still not buying the sticky tape story either, the best tool for the job is going to be sandpaper which is effectively what they were trying to make using the tape anyway!

A group by definition is more than 2 people, I�d wager there was 4/5 of them in on it but Smith and Warner are culpable are captain and VC with Bancroft as whipping boy as the NKOTB.

SD · « **Reply #520 on:** March 28, 2018, 12:14:04 AM »

Quote from: kdale6 on March 27, 2018, 07:22:44 PM

Irrespective of whether he not he knew about it from the outset and was involved in the planning, Lehmann knew full well what he was doing when he sent Handscomb out to let them know they�d been busted

I too find it hard to believe that Lehmann had no knowledge of something this significant going on the in dressing room and his actions in sending a player on to the field as soon as the TV cameras had picked this up aren't consistent with him being unaware as to what was going on. Likewise, his cowardly action in refusing to front up to the media and instead throwing one of the youngest players in the dressing room under a bus aren't consistent with someone who has nothing to hide.

I also find it hard to believe that this is the first time Australia has tampered with the ball in his way. Both during this series and in the Ashes before, Australia was getting the ball to consistently reverse swing far earlier than a ball would deteriorate without abrasions being deliberately caused.

Finally, a can't go along with the idea that the bowlers had no idea what was going. The damage caused to the ball by Bancroft was clear from the TV footage to be abrasions spreading around the ball and therefore inconsistent with natural wear and tear but entirely consistent with an abrasive object being rubbed against the ball. Any club bowler could clearly see that that wasn't natural damage to a ball. Cummins has been outstanding since coming back to international cricket but this weeks' events really question how many, if any at all, of those wickets were taken fairly.

golders · « **Reply #521 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:20:39 AM »

What I don't understand is why Sutherland refused to answer the question of whether they were cheating? Surely trying to gain an unfair advantage by using illegal means is cheating?

Cheat:
VERB
1no object Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

�she always cheats at cards�
More example sentences
1.1with object Gain an advantage over or deprive of something by using unfair or deceitful methods; defraud.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #522 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:24:53 AM »

Quote from: golders on March 28, 2018, 06:20:39 AM

What I don't understand is why Sutherland refused to answer the question of whether they were cheating? Surely trying to gain an unfair advantage by using illegal means is cheating?

Cheat:
VERB
1no object Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

�she always cheats at cards�
More example sentences
1.1with object Gain an advantage over or deprive of something by using unfair or deceitful methods; defraud.

Because he�s a PR monkey.. he won�t say things like that. This way he can�t say all the right things, be very angry.. be very sorry but not actually do much about it. There, it all goes away and they can continue getting richer

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #523 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:26:38 AM »

It�s like a version of the yes no game, do anything but mention the actual word itself!

A sad state of affairs whatever way we look at in gaining column inches and media attention to cricket for the wrong reasons.

golders · « **Reply #524 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:30:51 AM »

It's so irritating,if he had just answered yes I could at least take him seriously! I was also disappointed that while he apologised to Aussie fans and kids,he should have apologised to cricket lovers around the world!

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