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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #570 on: March 28, 2018, 02:14:07 PM »
Quote from: adb club cricketer on March 28, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
If you use sandpaper on a ball, wouldn't you clearly notice the lines/marks on the ball it forms. How could the on field umpires not notice it. From what they said, on field umpires didn't see any change in condition of the ball.

Bancroft is that thick, he probably used the wrong side of the sandpaper
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« Reply #571 on: March 28, 2018, 02:30:04 PM »
Lets take a moment to commend the aussies (the public, and the administrators, NOT the players obviously). No other country would be so ruthless against their superstars. They could have easily just let the pathetically weak ICC ban be enough (and given a mild “we will respect whatever the ICC decides” statement). But they’ve taken a stand, and not given two sh**s about who was involved. If you look at Sutherland’s statement today, he said they’ve been charged for MORE than ball tampering – really great response from CA and the aussie public. They’ve set a new standard for everyone else to follow.
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« Reply #572 on: March 28, 2018, 02:42:04 PM »
So Lehmann didn't know, the leadership "group" was two players and none of the bowlers were in on the plan to use sandpaper on the ball?

Pull the other one.

Quote from: adb club cricketer on March 28, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
If you use sandpaper on a ball, wouldn't you clearly notice the lines/marks on the ball it forms. How could the on field umpires not notice it. From what they said, on field umpires didn't see any change in condition of the ball.

Saw Mike Selvey on the TV the other day saying that an elite umpire informed him that the umpires often do what they can do avoid changing the ball and awarding penalty runs even if they see the ball has been tampered with. Apparently some umpires take out the rings they use to measure the women's cricket balls, so the ball doesn't go through them and they call for a new ball claiming the current one has gone out of shape.
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« Reply #573 on: March 28, 2018, 02:48:22 PM »
The punishment handed out is not for ball-tampering, rather CA intent to appease Australia's fans and followers. Steve Smith will be back in a year or even earlier if he decides to appeal the punishment. Bancroft & Warner are likely to fade away from cricket. Lehman also might step down after the series sighting a fresh start for a new captain + coach => Langer or Gillespie for next Aussie coach!
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« Reply #574 on: March 28, 2018, 02:50:31 PM »
Quote from: Big Mac on March 28, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
So Lehmann didn't know, the leadership "group" was two players and none of the bowlers were in on the plan to use sandpaper on the ball?



as much as I hate Lehman, he does look to be innocent on this one... http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22941664/six-words-put-darren-lehmann-clear
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« Reply #575 on: March 28, 2018, 03:07:19 PM »
Quote from: brokenbat on March 28, 2018, 02:50:31 PM
as much as I hate Lehman, he does look to be innocent on this one... http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22941664/six-words-put-darren-lehmann-clear



Hmmmm...... given the evidence there's little c.a could do in terms of Lehmann . But having corroborating witnesses, who may well have vested interests in protecting Lehmann , doesnt do much to convince me personally . I still think Lehmann was a part of this . In any event , he is holding the team back from improving its culture and behaviour.  Also , there are better candidates in Ponting , Langer and Gillespie floating around . C.a should use the opportunity to get rid of Lehmann and get one of those guys in to replace him .
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« Reply #576 on: March 28, 2018, 03:13:46 PM »
Highly probable after the series is concluded Lehmann gets sacked. Get back to Australia conduct a review and Lehmann gets blamed for Australia's dreadful behaviour.

I'm fully expecting Smith and Bancroft to have their suspensions halved on appeal, but Warner will be exiled
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« Reply #577 on: March 28, 2018, 04:08:30 PM »
So it’s come out that warner taught Bancroft how to do it.

How long has he been doing it for is the next question?


The lies about the sticky tape was also funny - no one believed that crap
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« Reply #578 on: March 28, 2018, 04:19:25 PM »
Nobody believes Lehmann wasn't giving cover up orders over the walkie-talkie.

What else was he doing, ordering a Meat Feast with stuffed crust?

Jokers, the bloody lot of them
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« Reply #579 on: March 28, 2018, 04:20:12 PM »
Smith looks like a broken man in the video of him leaving the airport.
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« Reply #580 on: March 28, 2018, 04:21:42 PM »
Probably realised he's lost the most important job in Aus, outside of being PM, probably all his sponsors and a (No Swearing Please)-ton of cash.

Along with his reputation
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« Reply #581 on: March 28, 2018, 04:27:40 PM »
Hussain made a good point - it’s hard to believe that none of the bowlers were involved

Smith’s probably lost over £2.5m from being banned in those 12 months. Let that figure settle in.
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« Reply #582 on: March 28, 2018, 04:46:27 PM »
Read that Smith and Warner each where earning close to $5M per year, wouldn't be surprised if Warner gets an CPL and BPL deal
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« Reply #583 on: March 28, 2018, 05:23:56 PM »
Personally I think the bans are fair when you add in the reputational and financial punishments that will follow in terms of public receptions and loss of income in the coming years.

I have no doubt Smith will play test cricket again as soon as his Ban is up. Warner I think will now just be a T20 player abroad.

I do also think a lot of county teams will break the bank to sign them up as they could now play the whole summer here including 4day, 1day and T20 Comps and keep there profiles in cricket terms high.
Give it a few months it will blow over for them but a few more heads may role at some point as not buying this bowers are innocent garbage they would have known as soon as the ball was in there hands.
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Re: Sa vs aus
« Reply #584 on: March 28, 2018, 05:31:15 PM »
Quote from: billyb on March 28, 2018, 04:20:12 PM
Smith looks like a broken man in the video of him leaving the airport.

He was probably thinking "why did I listen to the thick bloke with a Napoleon complex"?
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