Topic: Sa vs aus (Read 101831 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #585 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:46:01 PM »

Quote from: Davehugh on March 28, 2018, 01:22:48 PM

In terms of attitude and sledging I agree there are a few times that the line gets crossed but not sure we want to see it eradicated from the game. Who can remember Mitch Johnson chirping Jimmy, Jimmy then yorking Ryan Harris with a beauty. Sure there are plenty of other examples where it has inly increased the drama of the game. We want to see two teams going at it hell for leather trying to the win the game surely. Some of the best games I have played in club cricket have been when there have been a few words said between the two teams makes it only sweeter when you win. I suposee the old rule of play hard and fair on the field and have a beer and laugh about it in the bar afterwards...

For every one who likes verbals there is another who doesn�t. Who gets to decide if it�s acceptable?? As always, one mans �banter� is abuse/offensive to another. Hence the problem with sledging in the modern era.

I am sure people will say �man up� but sadly sledging has nothing to do with being a man or competitive.. it really is simply verbal abuse by those who have no way to control themselves.

There are the odd funny lines but they are so rare it�s not worth all the tripe. As Dave says, Cricket simply needs to sort it�s house out with all the unpleasantness

RoyalParkReds · « **Reply #586 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:17:48 PM »

Yeah, pretty disappointing with Australia's attitude over the years, and it has all just come to a head this series. I know the line for what constitutes 'sportsmanship' in regards to ball tampering has probably been abused by most countries have the years, but I think this was more than just particular incident.

Australian cricket will recover, hopefully with a less confronting ego to it. I think it will take time for Australia to start playing good cricket again, but hopefully we use this time to blood some young batsman and build a good batting list for the future. I do hope Steve Smith returns, which I think is likely, but you never know. Having a year away from cricket may do his career some good in the long run. And we do have a good bowling attack fro the future. I think Warner's career may be over, which is sad because he scored 21 tests centuries at a fairly good SR.

I don't know the ins and out of the Australian squad, but perhaps a change over of key coaching and management people too ? Develop a better cricket ethos but also try to win ?

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #587 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:47:17 PM »

Taking something positive out of all this! What a turnaround for Tim Paine!

Couldn�t get in Tasmania�s first team and struggling in the 2s

Shock (and mocked) pick for the ashes now Australia�s captain!

Let�s hope he can restore some pride in the baggy green!

Manormanic · « **Reply #588 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:53:53 PM »

There is a lot of value at times like these in appointing someone who knows the value of the badge because it wasn't just given to them easy.

stamper · « **Reply #589 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:09:16 PM »

1. The explanation for Lehmann not knowing seems fair. It explains the pictures - but jeez he made it look suspicious with his hand covering the walkie talkie and then trying to lower it when caught on camera. As for going forward, he in no way is the right man to change the way Aussies play cricket. His past record shows that he was definitely in favour of butting the line, and on several (known) occasions went over it himself.

2. Bancroft gets 9 months - wrong. Should be the same as Smith. Yes he's young and he was possibly pressured into it by Warner BUT he can make his own decisions. In hindsight, had he said no and had suffered in the team as a result, he could have whistleblown and received a lot of support by Aussie fans, authorities and teammates. Don't forget, he also lied to the umpires when asked to explain things on field, and then lied to the press and public after caught by denying it was sandpaper. Seems his morals are skewed.

3. Smith's punishment - probably just about right/bit harsh. It now looks as if the role he played was passive - "Don't tell me about it guys. I don't want to know". He was also passive in taking the heat - refusing to explain who was in the leadership group - protecting his teammates. What should he have done as captain? Find out what they were planning, and then telling them to stop straight away instead of metaphorically holding his hands to his ears.

4. As for Warner. Maybe he's a good Dad. Maybe he's good with his friends and family. What he is not good at is being sporting, being a leader, being a good teammate and being an ambassador for cricket. He has a history going back to his really early cricket career e.g. pushing a fellow player down the stairs, punching another. He should have been banned for life from cricket - all grades, given some help with his issues and in sorting out an alternate career.

5. My preference was still for the whole team to be banned for a year (because past and present more than just these three have shown poor sportsmanship, and failed to speak up about things that we do not know about yet - if ever). As I said earlier, by taking on the Aussies schedule, associate teams who have very few matches post WCQ would get more competitive games and thus learn more, and continue the fan momentum that the WCQ built, leading to growth of cricket in those countries. Something good for the whole game coming out of something bad for the whole game.

ppccopener · « **Reply #590 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:25:17 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on March 28, 2018, 07:53:53 PM

There is a lot of value at times like these in appointing someone who knows the value of the badge because it wasn't just given to them easy.

Totally agree, this bad incident is an opportunity for Australia to rethink how they have behaved on the field. The bans are about right in my book, including a lesser sentence for the mule Bancroft. It's the senior players...at the moment just a couple of them, who appear to be responsible.
If you read any social media and believe it, it's Warner that is the real problem, fantastic ability no doubt, but a cricketer disliked and not just by English fans but by his own team.whether this is accurate who knows.

Lehmann has had what he said to be verified by someone else, I find it hard to believe myself he did not know what was going in, but he can't be hung without any real proof.

As for Smith he may be a naive captain, a bit like Root is, again, if what we read is true(Jim maxwell)

He will have another chance to play for his Country and they all have the right of appeal-as they should with anything like this.

I think this could turn out to be a blessing for Australia, everyone wants to win but they need to get back on the right side of the line.All teams push this line, England included probably, but they went over it for sure.

Warner I think may be finished, if it's true,dressing rooms are hard places to get back into once this happens.right or wrong there is a similarity with KP.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #591 on:** March 28, 2018, 09:52:26 PM »

Whole thing stinks.

First it was tape then it was sandpaper 3 days later.
First the leadership team and then 3 batsman only.
Australia getting it swing early for the ashes and SA.
The alleged tip off to the cameras to watch the aussies.
The coach going mute and then denying all knowledge.
None of the bowlers suspected anything?

One rumour is the 3 have stuck to their stories and refuse to implicate anybody else. Something isn't being told.

billyb · « **Reply #592 on:** March 28, 2018, 09:59:35 PM »

Maybe it was in inside job by CA to get rid of Warner, that picked up some unfortunate collateral...

NT50 · « **Reply #593 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:33:13 PM »

Has anyone seen the footage of Smith being bundled out of the South African airport?

I'm seriously not ok with this. The man's being vilified like a (No Swearing Please) murderer for cheating at a game of cricket.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #594 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:42:16 PM »

Quote from: billyb on March 28, 2018, 09:59:35 PM

Maybe it was in inside job by CA to get rid of Warner, that picked up some unfortunate collateral...

I'm sure it was an upside for cricket Australia.

I think the whole tape, sugar, granules, sandpaper mix is in some form Australia's secret to reverse swing and if it all came out most of team and coaching staff would be in trouble. Can't help thinking those 3 have taken one for the team.

sarg · « **Reply #595 on:** March 28, 2018, 11:12:56 PM »

I do not believe that Lehmann knew this was happening until the camera's picked up on it and the broadcaster said it. I think the calls for his sacking are over the top. Based on the sanctions imposed if he was involved or anyone else they would have been done.

Conspiring to cheat brings the game into disrepute and the punishment fits the crime. The entire series has been played with great venom and and emotion and the team leadership was unable to play without resorting to this. Sandpaper is a hell of a lot worse than mints, sugar, sunscreen etc as reverse swing is so lethal.

Now to quote "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...." John 8:7. Lets not be all high and mighty about our respective countries never trying this. I hope other countries have the balls to wipe this out from the international game as it ruins the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cifBQq5gN2g

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #596 on:** March 29, 2018, 12:20:06 AM »

Wonder how Smith and Bancy feel about Warner right now. Though they were part of it and could have said No, they would surely hate him for letting them into this mess..It is highly likely at least a few of the other players might have known about it but just didn't take part in the actual implementation so no one else got impacted..

cesare_in · « **Reply #597 on:** March 29, 2018, 05:39:31 AM »

A day after Australia captain Steve Smith and vice-skipper David Warner were handed out a one-year ban for ball-tampering, Warner tweeted his apology to his country, the game of cricket and his fans across the word.

"To cricket fans in Australia and all over the world: I am currently on my way to Sydney. Mistakes have been made which have damaged cricket. I apologise for my part and take responsibility for it. I understand the distress this has caused to the sport and its fans. It's a stain on the game we all love and I have loved since I was a boy. I need to take a deep breath and spend time with my family, friends and trusted advisors. You will hear from me in a few days."

Cameron Bancroft, who carried out the cheating in South Africa, was given a nine-month ban by Cricket Australia.

procricket · « **Reply #598 on:** March 29, 2018, 08:51:11 AM »

Quote from: NT50 on March 28, 2018, 10:33:13 PM

Has anyone seen the footage of Smith being bundled out of the South African airport?

I'm seriously not ok with this. The man's being vilified like a (No Swearing Please) murderer for cheating at a game of cricket.

I agree and watching the press conference it cricket that needs to get itself in order.

Nobody died man its a sport they cheated it the world leadership needs to get a bloody grip of players but some of this crap now is way way over the top.

I do not like either Smith OR Warner but this is plain over the top crap.

ICC is corrupt with the way series are handed out they have sold out, they should get the good of the game back up over money and all powerful boards.

Yes the banned 3 should be punished but they way he was hounded out of the country and all the press stuff it like there criminals.

There crime was getting caught alerning a ball is altering a ball either through sweets or sticky tape i mean sandpaper.

There are alot of players out there so happy they have not been caught (all cricketing nations are gulity) because cricket as a whole is gulity and it time the great game was brought back to people

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #599 on:** March 29, 2018, 08:54:51 AM »

So Smith and Bancroft issue public apologies this morning yet the coward Warner goes into hiding. Warner is a cancer

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