Topic: England test tour to New Zealand (Read 62620 times)

csnew · « **Reply #270 on:** March 26, 2018, 09:21:34 AM »

Quote from: rickjames on March 26, 2018, 07:22:18 AM

Wagners a one trick pony that seems to work, I wonder how'd he fare if he had a slower ball; could only imagine it being a nightmare to pick

One trick pony that�s very effective! He cops a lot of stick but he does the job

Great win for NZ effectively in 3 days

petehosk · « **Reply #271 on:** March 26, 2018, 09:25:35 AM »

The Test was lost in the first innings! Seriously struggle to come back from a collapse like that!
Was nice to see some players dig in but there was only likely to be one conclusion in the end.

Manormanic · « **Reply #272 on:** March 26, 2018, 09:43:37 AM »

Quote from: six and out on March 26, 2018, 07:13:21 AM

I find Wagner the most curious of bowlers. Surely there is the definition of someone who has and gets the most of every bit of talent he has and adaptated it to the needs required.

That being said how does he get away with it? He bowls constantly short at mid 130's-surely test batsman should be able to just line that up?

This is by no means a slight or taking away from his bowling just a question/observation.

From what I've seen, he's good at spotting the guy who has him lined up and changing tactics before he gets taken to the cleaners.

t2ylo · « **Reply #273 on:** March 26, 2018, 04:17:48 PM »

It�s frustrating but surely we need a better strategy. We are too packed with all-rounders which works in white ball but not at test level. Too many left handers. Too many bowlers picked because they can bat. No proper spinner or keeper.
Stokes is our key man until courts decide otherwise.

So really three best openers, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Keeper, spinner and three seamers
For me the only thought for me is whether YJB is in top three
I�m not a fan of Stoneman & Malan I would go youth but contradict myself by wanting Sam Northeast in my team

So I would go...

Hameed
Cook
Bairstow
Root
Northeast
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Archer (find a way to fast track him)
Leach
Anderson

My Somerset bias says Abell will eventually play for England despite last seasons disaster
Failing Archer we need a wildcard quick but therein lies the problem

19reading87 · « **Reply #274 on:** March 26, 2018, 04:22:52 PM »

Quote from: t2ylo on March 26, 2018, 04:17:48 PM

It�s frustrating but surely we need a better strategy. We are too packed with all-rounders which works in white ball but not at test level. Too many left handers. Too many bowlers picked because they can bat. No proper spinner or keeper.
Stokes is our key man until courts decide otherwise.

So really three best openers, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Keeper, spinner and three seamers
For me the only thought for me is whether YJB is in top three
I�m not a fan of Stoneman & Malan I would go youth but contradict myself by wanting Sam Northeast in my team

So I would go...

Hameed
Cook
Bairstow
Root
Northeast
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Archer (find a way to fast track him)
Leach
Anderson

My Somerset bias says Abell will eventually play for England despite last seasons disaster
Failing Archer we need a wildcard quick but therein lies the problem

A time machine???

t2ylo · « **Reply #275 on:** March 26, 2018, 04:45:45 PM »

Quote from: 19reading87 on March 26, 2018, 04:22:52 PM

A time machine???

Failing the customisation of a Delorean rotate Garton, Mahmood, Stone, Joverton & Barber

FattusCattus · « **Reply #276 on:** March 26, 2018, 05:16:56 PM »

@t2ylo - a little unfair on Malan at this stage?

Also, we have just been beaten by an attack that boasts no speedsters, simply well drilled and good at what they do, plus they have a bit of variety.

I know I will get shouted down, but their do seem to be a few 'undroppables', guys with great past records, but who have simply not been performing for quite some time - where is the incentive to keep their place if they picked again and again and again?

I'm looking at Cook, Ali and Broad.

I'm also wondering if the future is with Stokes as a batter only and Woakes very much the 4th seam / no7 bat who is there to keep an end tight and not necessarily run through a side - that would allow us to pick a more expensive spinner.

edge · « **Reply #277 on:** March 26, 2018, 05:42:45 PM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on March 26, 2018, 05:16:56 PM

@t2ylo
I'm also wondering if the future is with Stokes as a batter only and Woakes very much the 4th seam / no7 bat who is there to keep an end tight and not necessarily run through a side - that would allow us to pick a more expensive spinner.

Stokes is too good a bowler for that! Think the issue with Woakes is that he's a specialist opening swing/seam merchant, so perhaps shouldn't be a surprise that he doesn't offer much penetration with the old Kookaburra. Not the worst thing in the world as he's usually tight when it isn't swinging, but it does make you question selecting him as a change bowler abroad. Tough call to make to possibly drop Broad, but something's got to change. Think we're most struggling for a third seamer, new ball operators coming out of our ears but noone like Wagner, or Bresnan, who can do the job after the swing bowlers have worn the lacquer off. Made worse by not having a proper spinner who can jam up an end and keep the pressure on, and no runs to play with.

rickjames · « **Reply #278 on:** March 27, 2018, 02:43:47 AM »

Also here's a photo of that Kookaburra Farbrace gave to me yesterday; kept in relatively decent shape

FattusCattus · « **Reply #279 on:** March 27, 2018, 04:46:05 PM »

Any odds on the XI for Friday (I think?)

I'm hoping they go something like -

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Overton
Wood
Anderson
Leach

If there was another opener in the squad, I'd bunt Cook out too!

Johnny · « **Reply #280 on:** March 27, 2018, 04:46:48 PM »

Didn't think currant was on the tour brucey?

procricket · « **Reply #281 on:** March 27, 2018, 04:48:35 PM »

If Stokes could bowl

I would go

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Bairstow
Malan
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes/Leach Pitch dependant-Stokes
Broad
Wood
Anderson

Manormanic · « **Reply #282 on:** March 27, 2018, 04:53:43 PM »

This reminds me of the Wellington bloodbath that ended Hoggard's England career and more or less Wor Harmy's too

Who will go? I think Ali is a certainty. I could also see a point being made to Cook...

Foakes
Stoneman
Malan
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Livingstone
Woakes
Leach
Wood
Anderson

FattusCattus · « **Reply #283 on:** March 27, 2018, 04:58:27 PM »

amended because I am a twonk (and ever hopeful)

My crazy-assed 'throw the baby out with the bathwater team for next summer would be:

Hameed
Bell-Drummond
Gubbins
Root
Malan
Bairstow+
Stokes (if he can bowl)
TRJ
Garton / Some other left hander
Anderson (c)
Parkinson

edge · « **Reply #284 on:** March 27, 2018, 06:11:52 PM »

They haven't got that much of a chance to change to be honest... From what's available I'd go

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Malan
Livingstone
Stokes (if fit, if not Vince/Bairstow with Foakes keeping)
Bairstow
Woakes/Broad
Wood
Leach
Anderson

Not all that happy about the tail if Broad played ahead of Woakes though!

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