Topic: England test tour to New Zealand (Read 62698 times)

SD · « **Reply #285 on:** March 28, 2018, 12:24:31 AM »

It is sad that we seem to have learnt nothing from the Ashes series when it comes to team selection.

It was obviously the batting that let us down in this game, but I don't see there are a lot of quality options in the batting department. The bigger worry is that we don't have a bowling attack that looks able to take 20 wickets in a game away from England. Right now, we have better options like Wood, Plunkett and Rashid playing white ball cricket whilst the likes of Ali, Woakes, Overton and Curran have been utterly innocuous in red ball cricket all winter

billyb · « **Reply #286 on:** March 28, 2018, 12:41:33 AM »

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cook will score mountains of runs down the order, he's lost that bit extra that had made him a world class opener. Give him a chance to cash in.

Hameed
Stoneman
Malan
Root
Cook (or at 3)
Bairstow
Stokes
Woakes
Wood
Leach
Anderson

Then you've got Foakes, DBD, Livingstone, Jennings, Vince, Moeen, Gubbins and Northeast fighting to join the batting unit.

six and out · « **Reply #287 on:** March 28, 2018, 05:47:07 AM »

They won't change much for the last test of the winter. Simply because they can't and their too stubborn to do it as well. Their aren't the players in NZ to make sweeping changes. I think it will be -

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Broad
Wood - in for Overton if Stokes can't bowl
Leach - in for Ali
Anderson

If Stokes can bowl then I think Vince may get another chance and come in for Overton.

The summer is a completely different ball game however especially if we lose or draw the 2nd test where I really think anyone doing well early season could make a case for being picked there would be that many slots open!

ppccopener · « **Reply #288 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:00:11 AM »

Quote from: six and out on March 28, 2018, 05:47:07 AM

They won't change much for the last test of the winter. Simply because they can't and their too stubborn to do it as well. Their aren't the players in NZ to make sweeping changes. I think it will be -

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Broad
Wood - in for Overton if Stokes can't bowl
Leach - in for Ali
Anderson

If Stokes can bowl then I think Vince may get another chance and come in for Overton.

The summer is a completely different ball game however especially if we lose or draw the 2nd test where I really think anyone doing well early season could make a case for being picked there would be that many slots open!

Yes you could well be right it could be a merry go round once we get to the summer.
It's time to play a specialist spinner I think now we surely have to find someone, and that means Ali misses out this time, it's a bit harsh because he has done well for us but we only usually play one spinner , it's upto others ahead of him to get runs or be dropped.

Wood is not the answer long term but we need to win a test match somewhere so they might as well chuck him in and see what happens.

I do think England despite not wanting to make changes generally will make a couple for the next match.

I hope I'm wrong but there are signs Cook may have lost motivation, I still think we need him for another couple of years myself but he may choose to walk away I fear

six and out · « **Reply #289 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:11:31 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 28, 2018, 06:00:11 AM

Yes you could well be right it could be a merry go round once we get to the summer.
It's time to play a specialist spinner I think now we surely have to find someone, and that means Ali misses out this time, it's a bit harsh because he has done well for us but we only usually play one spinner , it's upto others ahead of him to get runs or be dropped.

Wood is not the answer long term but we need to win a test match somewhere so they might as well chuck him in and see what happens.

I do think England despite not wanting to make changes generally will make a couple for the next match.

I hope I'm wrong but there are signs Cook may have lost motivation, I still think we need him for another couple of years myself but he may choose to walk away I fear

If you look at Cook's career it has always gone in peaks and troffs but i don't think you can ever question his motivation otherwise he would never get back that peak.

Generally his slump in form has always been down do him not lining the ball up correctly - he gets his head in the wrong place and often means so he plays at balls he wouldn't normally which is a massive part of his game etc... and i think that is happening again.

Maybe he will decide he doesn't want to do the work to get it all back in order and maybe he will call it a day - but i do think he will carry on playing for Essex, which undoubtedly means he will score a load of early season runs to get him back in form etc....

FattusCattus · « **Reply #290 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:19:16 AM »

I think they may have already stated Stokes won't bowl in the next test?

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #291 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:28:27 AM »

Quote from: edge on March 27, 2018, 06:11:52 PM

They haven't got that much of a chance to change to be honest... From what's available I'd go

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Malan
Livingstone
Stokes (if fit, if not Vince/Bairstow with Foakes keeping)
Bairstow
Woakes/Broad
Wood
Leach
Anderson

Not all that happy about the tail if Broad played ahead of Woakes though!

Broad has a pedigree Woakes last 16 wickets averages 60 runs each not good enough bowling deteriorating 0 for 106 last test

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #292 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:36:31 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on March 28, 2018, 08:28:27 AM

Broad has a pedigree Woakes last 16 wickets averages 60 runs each not good enough for tests

at the minute (in my opinion anyway) woakes looks more likely to take wickets, i hate to say it as he has been fantastic for england ( and im a notts fan) but broad looks done, until last summer i always thought he had one of those spells in him but now im not so sure just looks shot to me

velvetsky01 · « **Reply #293 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:37:59 AM »

yeah I would tend to agree I think Board is done - he is also a walking wicket too which is such a shame as before the smack in the face he was a very good batsmen to have down the order

Manormanic · « **Reply #294 on:** March 28, 2018, 09:39:13 AM »

What is the big deal with Bell-Drummond?

I know he has some potential, but in red ball cricket he has never played in D1 and averaged 25 in D2 last year.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #295 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:32:57 PM »

Pre season hundred for hameed today against Glamorgan, hopefully he can force his way back into the England side!

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #296 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:43:00 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on March 28, 2018, 09:39:13 AM

What is the big deal with Bell-Drummond?

I know he has some potential, but in red ball cricket he has never played in D1 and averaged 25 in D2 last year.

He is still young early/mid 20�s has played county cricket for years and is a proven opening batsmen. Quite a few have made the jump to test level with avg 1st class performances, Cook was one of those I believe as was Flintoff so worth a go

Manormanic · « **Reply #297 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:58:20 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on March 28, 2018, 07:43:00 PM

He is still young early/mid 20�s has played county cricket for years and is a proven opening batsmen. Quite a few have made the jump to test level with avg 1st class performances, Cook was one of those I believe as was Flintoff so worth a go

Cook was 21 and so was Freddie - they were prodigy picks who had had very little time to prove anything. Even the genius punts - Virgil and Banger - averaged mid 30s in the top division.

I guess what I'm saying is, how would the likes of Gubbins, Robson, Lyth, Northeast, Burns, Borthwick etc and nauseum feel if someone with no form or figures was hurled in above them?

edge · « **Reply #298 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:04:12 PM »

Bell-Drummond's been talked up for a long time but never seemed to get anywhere much. There's better div 2 openers out there... Chris Dent anyone?

ppccopener · « **Reply #299 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:32:04 PM »

Clarke got a ton in the north south game the other day. He looks good as I've said before.

But again....not the volume of runs behind him really to make a case.he is young thou so time on his side.

Livingstone if selection is consistent,should be the next to have a chance in he team...but that does not solve any problems in the opening positions.i think he is a number 3 or 4 for lancs, Clarke again 3 or 4 for worcs.

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