Topic: England test tour to New Zealand (Read 62687 times)

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #420 on:** April 01, 2018, 08:13:01 AM »

Cook should retire. Playing on just to try and break records is stupidity

csnew · « **Reply #421 on:** April 01, 2018, 08:43:13 AM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on April 01, 2018, 08:13:01 AM

Cook should retire. Playing on just to try and break records is stupidity

Cook can officially be called a flat track bully now. Unless it�s an absolute road, he can�t get any runs any more

Boult�s bunny - getting him out for fun.

Pitch looks like it�s expectedly flattened out, should be best for batting on day 4/5. Struggle to see a result.
Suspect England will look to get 500 to be safe

petehosk · « **Reply #422 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:15:33 AM »

I don't think Cook should retire just yet!
I think that his record as an opener is up there with the best - over 12000 Test runs at 46 average deserves some credit IMO.
Is he on form? There is no denying that he is NOT on form! Will he get back to form? We can't really answer that. We can only speculate and hope.
But I think with his past record, he has earned some slack.

Absolutely no doubt that Cook needs to visit his coach and work on his game after this series!
But there is also no doubt that Cook is a top class batsman. So the only questions he needs to answer is whether his lack of form is temporary and what to work on.
Even if it turns out that he has lost the grit to open the batting, then I still think he has the class to bat at 3.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #423 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:22:40 AM »

Cook was a top class batsman currently he is not

petehosk · « **Reply #424 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:26:24 AM »

As I said, not a good idea to simply assume that he has lost all his class! "Form is temporary, class if permanent" is the saying I believe?
Has he lost ability or the grit/mentality to open? Maybe, maybe not. But it would be stupid to drop somone with Cook's record without investigating what is lacking!!

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #425 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:29:28 AM »

Record is irrelevant Pete. It's about the here and now, Cook is a liability at present. Unless we play on flat pancakes in the summer, it's unlikely Cook will get any runs

six and out · « **Reply #426 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:31:39 AM »

Quote from: six and out on March 28, 2018, 07:11:31 AM

If you look at Cook's career it has always gone in peaks and troffs but i don't think you can ever question his motivation otherwise he would never get back that peak.

Generally his slump in form has always been down do him not lining the ball up correctly - he gets his head in the wrong place and often means so he plays at balls he wouldn't normally which is a massive part of his game etc... and i think that is happening again.

Maybe he will decide he doesn't want to do the work to get it all back in order and maybe he will call it a day - but i do think he will carry on playing for Essex, which undoubtedly means he will score a load of early season runs to get him back in form etc....

I wrote this about Cook a while ago, I think it still holds true

petehosk · « **Reply #427 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:38:56 AM »

Quote from: six and out on April 01, 2018, 09:31:39 AM

I wrote this about Cook a while ago, I think it still holds true

I wouldn't disagree with that. Let's see what occurs over the next month or two.
I still think that if we can find a decent opener (hopefully Hameed, as we already have too many Left handers!) then Cook could solve our number 3 problem.

edge · « **Reply #428 on:** April 01, 2018, 09:48:44 AM »

Catching up this morning, looks like Stoneman was using a butterfly https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/980291324929814528?s=19

KD4 · « **Reply #429 on:** April 01, 2018, 01:31:30 PM »

I think Cook will play the summer and then retire. He's become a walking wicket now.

billyb · « **Reply #430 on:** April 01, 2018, 01:51:53 PM »

Credit where credit is due, they were very good knocks from Stoneman and Vince. Anything from the top order feels like a miracle.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #431 on:** April 01, 2018, 10:12:17 PM »

So, how many are we going to get?

FattusCattus · « **Reply #432 on:** April 01, 2018, 10:13:22 PM »

Also- has Stoneman done enough to stay in and has Vince not done enough?

petehosk · « **Reply #433 on:** April 01, 2018, 10:29:19 PM »

I give up trying to predict what England will get! They are so "hit or miss" these days that it's an impossible task!
I will probably be totally wrong but I reckon England to post 373.

Stoneman has shown some gritty batting and I feel he has done enough to get another few Tests.
Vince? He has shown glimpses of excellence but suspect he is keeping number 3 warm for someone like Hameed?

richthekeeper · « **Reply #434 on:** April 01, 2018, 10:38:43 PM »

Quote from: petehosk on April 01, 2018, 10:29:19 PM

I give up trying to predict what England will get! They are so "hit or miss" these days that it's an impossible task!
I will probably be totally wrong but I reckon England to post 373.

Stoneman has shown some gritty batting and I feel he has done enough to get another few Tests.
Vince? He has shown glimpses of excellence but suspect he is keeping number 3 warm for someone like Hameed?

Judging by Graham Thorpe's comments about Vince, he might have earned himself an extended stay in the squad

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