Topic: Your 2018 Season (Read 150798 times)

Lumsden · « **Reply #555 on:** July 19, 2018, 01:14:10 PM »

Quote from: Neon Cricket on July 19, 2018, 12:06:35 PM

Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!

Absolutely. In fact my highest score was accomplished doing just that. We were against a really strong batting side (who had scored just over 300) so opened the batting alongside a junior and we put on 108 for the first wicket. We got ourselves a draw and the junior was absolutely buzzing with his 35 runs as was his Dad who had come along to watch after tea. All the other juniors in the team gave the young lad a standing ovation when he was out with just a few overs to go. Cricket is not all about winning, it's about taking as many positives out of a game as possible.

Neon Cricket · « **Reply #556 on:** July 19, 2018, 01:38:56 PM »

Guess it comes down to the level of standard being played. I'd personally have no interest in playing in a side where the intention isn't to go out and win (or at least try) but each to their own - we all play for different reasons after all!

SLA · « **Reply #557 on:** July 19, 2018, 01:44:41 PM »

Quote from: Neon Cricket on July 19, 2018, 01:38:56 PM

Guess it comes down to the level of standard being played. I'd personally have no interest in playing in a side where the intention isn't to go out and win (or at least try) but each to their own - we all play for different reasons after all!

Yeah but sometimes you just get games where you get pumped so hard that the chances of winning quickly become zero, so rather than just giving up entirely, kicking over your stumps and going to the pub, you have to pick some other target to try and achieve. Have you never experienced this?

When you're 50-5 off 20 overs chasing 370, and you need over 10 an over with an old bloke who can neither run nor hit the ball off the square at the other end and every opposition fielder on the boundary, at some point you have to admit to yourself that you're not going to win the game.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #558 on:** July 19, 2018, 02:01:12 PM »

Quote from: SLA on July 19, 2018, 01:44:41 PM

Yeah but sometimes you just get games where you get pumped so hard that the chances of winning quickly become zero, so rather than just giving up entirely, kicking over your stumps and going to the pub, you have to pick some other target to try and achieve. Have you never experienced this?

I've been on the wrong side of these games a few times, it's not the most enjoyable situation but you almost have to make your own game within the game when it does happen.

In these situations my team will go for 2 things.
1 - Full batting points (or as close to as possible). If you're going to lose you may as well pick up some bonus points.
2 - Keep the opposition out in the field for the whole innings. Even if you can't bat out your overs make them work for their bowling points! If you prevent them from claiming a full haul of bowling points then it's a minor victory in itself.

SLA · « **Reply #559 on:** July 19, 2018, 02:09:16 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on July 19, 2018, 02:01:12 PM

I've been on the wrong side of these games a few times, it's not the most enjoyable situation but you almost have to make your own game within the game when it does happen.

In these situations my team will go for 2 things.
1 - Full batting points (or as close to as possible). If you're going to lose you may as well pick up some bonus points.
2 - Keep the opposition out in the field for the whole innings. Even if you can't bat out your overs make them work for their bowling points! If you prevent them from claiming a full haul of bowling points then it's a minor victory in itself.

A good bonus point system is crucial in these situations. One that rewards the batting team for scoring as many runs as possible, and the bowling team for taking wickets, at least incentivises positive cricket from both sides for the remainder of the game.

Same applies when a chasing team is easily going to breeze to a low total.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #560 on:** July 19, 2018, 02:28:59 PM »

Quote from: Neon Cricket on July 19, 2018, 12:06:35 PM

Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!

Yes done it often if you can't win don't lose.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #561 on:** July 19, 2018, 08:30:58 PM »

Quote from: Neon Cricket on July 19, 2018, 12:06:35 PM

Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!

Ok, so what should they do ?? If they at some point don�t think they can score 300?. �Have some fun�, hit out.. get out .. get in the bar ?? Why, just so the winning side feel good ?

I mean sure, it looks bad but maybe the team batting first needs to use it�s brain and not score as many, declare earlier.. entice the chase.. etc etc

The beauty of draw Cricket is it�s way more tactical than �bash runs then defend and just wait for bats to get out�

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #562 on:** July 19, 2018, 08:33:29 PM »

Quote from: Neon Cricket on July 19, 2018, 01:38:56 PM

Guess it comes down to the level of standard being played. I'd personally have no interest in playing in a side where the intention isn't to go out and win (or at least try) but each to their own - we all play for different reasons after all!

But why is getting wacked for 300 (sometimes someone comes off so it�s not always �the better side� ) then getting skittled for 210ao more fun?

It�s more fun for the winning team I suppose but for the others... bugger all to play for If you don�t think you can chase it..

Isn�t that the point of Cricket ? To win you have to score runs and TAKE wickets

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #563 on:** July 19, 2018, 08:36:25 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on July 19, 2018, 02:01:12 PM

I've been on the wrong side of these games a few times, it's not the most enjoyable situation but you almost have to make your own game within the game when it does happen.

In these situations my team will go for 2 things.
1 - Full batting points (or as close to as possible). If you're going to lose you may as well pick up some bonus points.
2 - Keep the opposition out in the field for the whole innings. Even if you can't bat out your overs make them work for their bowling points! If you prevent them from claiming a full haul of bowling points then it's a minor victory in itself.

As soon as a team realises a side is batting like this for th draw, it�s down to them to tempt them into shots.. attacking fields.. catchers.. part time bowlers Etc.. no point bowling tight and accurate ball after ball.. got to use a bit of skill, tactics and imagination .. that�s the fun bit.. weeding out that batter fighting for his life .. not much fun when you know it�s just a matter of time cause he�s teeing off.. Just luck if he comes off or not most of the time

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #564 on:** July 20, 2018, 06:45:17 AM »

A few weeks ago played away with just 8 players inc 2 12 year olds the opposition won the toss and decided to bat they scored 260 off the first 37 overs could have declared and could have used the balance of there 45 overs ( 8 ) plus there allotted 45 to try and bowl us out but they decided it would be more fun to bat there 45 and score 332 blasting 12 year olds around the park in a win draw lose game.
Batting second We kept them in the field for 45 overs to get a draw and they got what they deserved.

Northern monkey · « **Reply #565 on:** July 20, 2018, 07:31:39 AM »

Fair play for batting the overs out, at the very least get a days cricket, and some batting practice/time in the middle

mohawks94 · « **Reply #566 on:** July 20, 2018, 07:58:27 AM »

Game on Tuesday was a mare. Personally bowled well on a pretty dodgy wicket, 7/1/15/1, whilst oppo racked up 188 in 35. Took two catches as well, mid on and long on. Batted 6, got a third ball 0, first ball leapt off a length, second ball pinged up to head height off a length, third ball was short and stuck in the pitch and I clothed it to cover. We were 18/6, not great!

From Ansty's hammering vs Three Bridges a couple of weeks ago, they have put up some match highlights. I first appear around 3:10 in with the bat. You can see me taking some tap, including the biggest six I have ever been hit for, as well as a dropped catch off me and a wicket with a googly (caught cow).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRKKuyIDfRI

treefeller · « **Reply #567 on:** July 20, 2018, 08:08:22 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on July 20, 2018, 06:45:17 AM

A few weeks ago played away with just 8 players inc 2 12 year olds the opposition won the toss and decided to bat they scored 260 off the first 37 overs could have declared and could have used the balance of there 45 overs ( 8 ) plus there allotted 45 to try and bowl us out but they decided it would be more fun to bat there 45 and score 332 blasting 12 year olds around the park in a win draw lose game.
Batting second We kept them in the field for 45 overs to get a draw and they got what they deserved.

We had a similar situation earlier in the year, conceded 450ish off 50 overs(!!), batted out our 50 and got 8 points for doing that. They were on about 350 after 35 overs so their skipper could have declared and had 65 overs to bowl us out but chose to carry on.

mohawks94 · « **Reply #568 on:** July 20, 2018, 08:24:35 AM »

Quote from: Neon Cricket on July 19, 2018, 12:06:35 PM

Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!

I think the bit the team enjoyed most was the fact that Lindfield only took 2 more points than they did!

Few weeks back vs Chichester Priory we set about 220, they didn't even bother trying to chase it despite it being a quick outfield and flat deck. Most boring game of cricket I have played for a long time.

Neon Cricket · « **Reply #569 on:** July 20, 2018, 08:32:59 AM »

Quote from: mohawks94 on July 20, 2018, 08:24:35 AM

Few weeks back vs Chichester Priory we set about 220, they didn't even bother trying to chase it despite it being a quick outfield and flat deck. Most boring game of cricket I have played for a long time.

This is my point, where's the interest in that? If I wanted I could quite easily go out and block for 40/50 overs if I had no intent of even trying to chase a score down.

You don't see the pros playing 50 over games with win/draw, so why do we? One day cricket should be one day cricket imo (and thankfully our league is purely win/win!).

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