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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2018, 04:53:19 AM »

@Biggie Smalls not hate just calling out "cheeky" marketing which makes "revolutionary" claims but delivers nothing.

@Jaffa  , "generational"? HAHA. How about truthful and from rumors I hear, more truthful than some people I hear. :D

Look folks, no need to get teary eyed or emotional. You will get better products from the vendors when you change your behavior and mindset. You guys act like these vendors are doing you a favor. You are used to "Sir, can I have some more porridge" mindset. And porridge you get. It IS your money and you are paying FULL retail prices most of the time. DEMAND better products and services. Enough of this "village" consumer mind set that shop-keeper will shoo you away if you ask for more. Sometimes I feel, this is like a "Doc Martin" episode. :D

Remember, ask for better products. Right now, we, cricket consumers have a pretty sub-standard market. Until, we consumers, demand better, we will get the same old "porridge". You are easy customers. :D If there were more than 12 of you, I'd get in this business myself. :D

Hi,

I do see where you are coming from - however, when you talk about "sub-standard market" then you also have to focus on the fact that sports industry is not overwhelmingly innovative, no sports, I repeat, no sports has evolution like from Henry Ford to Elon Musk.

Talking about better products in cricket, things have changed drastically. I recall that helmets in early 2000s were nothing less than like of plastic with no sweat guard and just few pieces of foam, now we have carbon fibre shell helmets, titanium grill, double layer of carbon fibre and so on.

Talking about the mindset, I really think that it is not truly. I have been part of this forum for past eight or so years with almost six years in administration. The "porridge" mindset is least applicable here, the consumers here are not saying "sir, can I have some more porridge" rather they are asking for different stuff. If they weren't getting better products, there would not be any exchange of gear, the people on this forum are perhaps the ones who change the gear the most and try/use most different vendors, they are perhaps most educated about the product technically and use different batmakers to all. Hence, the majority of the consumers on this forum don't use off shelf stuff rather custom and bespoke item because they want that "extra" thing in their item, that is certainly not porridge because they make the manufacturer do something that he doesn't usually do/

I began playing cricket in 2009, and since then to 2018, I notice drastic difference in all equipment's. Bats have evolved, not just in edge sizes or shapes, but handles are thinner which is good as not everyone can get along with thicker handle. Pads have become lighter, yet more protective. Pads straps have towel, foam and what not. You have gel knee role where pads in past from knee were very wider.

Box have had carbon fibre, D30, are unbreakable and all from a thin plastic which could cut your skin.

I can go for each and every equipment gear....products are better, but then it depends what your comparison point is. Every piece of equipment is better than before, but is it better than one or the other in the market? Absolutely, it is.

Again, as you said, it narrows down to consumers. When they don't ask for it, then no one gets anything. The industry needs consumer support, because that is where the money comes for manufacturers. With a lot of ranges, a lot of companies, the companies can not afford to invest thousands and thousands in Research and Opportunity when the return is little. They need to survive, so they keep on doing what they are doing and make it better, that is what the era is about. It is capitalist era, and sadly we don't have time machine to change it.

However, I am not advocating for George but your sentiments in regards to his innovation were genuinely upsetting and absurd, he has been most innovative to this industry with perhaps incredible research and opportunity given how it is just one person operating, from luxury to basic. Few highlights of his cricket career.....

1. Thigh pads which are malleable, more so which can be customized.
2. Protection for the umpires which would be worn beneath the shirt and is breathable.
3. Customized protection for individual.
4. Luxurious thigh pads, having the leather which is imported from Italy and is used on Hermes bags.
5. Making bat covers which again, are from leather imported from Italy.
6. Coffins, again, made in UK and from the best of the best in the business to keep the lightness and durability.
7. Leather grips, again the leather which is imported from Italy.
8. Helmet neck guards, again, this is a life saving invention.

Again, you have to think "out of the box" and that is exactly what George did. 20 years ago, if Elon Musk had told someone that he will make electric cars, everyone would probably have laughed at him, so ideas are always out of box rather than in the box.

Number three, it is person most important thing he does. I know people who have gotten specifically measured items which offer incredible protection, those are people who are not from a cricketing background like everyone here but his health conditions don't allow him to play, but someone like George has made something for him which can make him happy playing bowling once a year and cherish it for rest of the year! It is heartfelt moment.

And George is perhaps the LAST person who "shoo's" people away. So, you really have to be kidding when you talk about service when it comes to George, because he is best in the business. Period. A very ignorant claim, but I have worked with manufacturers, retailers and even professional cricketers to make this claim.

Oh, those few highlights of George which I listed, are from past five years (I believe) when he got into the cricket industry where he spends just 3-5 hours (4 being average) towards cricket every week, which comes to 1,040 hours over five years which averages to 2.38% of his time (on average) towards cricket over past five years. So, to achieve all that and have one of worlds best batsman wear your product is rather remarkable where he can get anything made from his sponsors for gratis, yet he chose to pay for the protection.

Oh, regarding your business opportunity, you can really do it and should go with it. The world have over seven billion individuals, I am sure you can find more than 12 :D.

Again, I can't change your mindset nor will I bother with that, but just thought I would say something on this fine night...

Alas, I will end with....

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink".

Sleep well!
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2018, 08:07:19 AM »

getting back on track somewhat - did anyone email to take part in the trial of these? I did - and have been accepted to take part which is very exciting
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2018, 08:24:44 AM »

Yep, mine have arrived and fit very nicely into my SL22 Boosts 👌
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2018, 08:26:53 AM »

ah excellent I have those boosts too so glad they fit

Could you take some photos Tom?

I am looking forward to trying them out
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2018, 08:31:00 AM »

@Ayrtek Cricket  - what shape are they? Do you think I could fit one to each of my plums?
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2018, 08:38:34 AM »

getting back on track somewhat - did anyone email to take part in the trial of these? I did - and have been accepted to take part which is very exciting

Yep me too, I imagine half the forum will have!
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2018, 09:15:33 AM »

ah excellent I have those boosts too so glad they fit

Could you take some photos Tom?

I am looking forward to trying them out

Yeh I’ll snap a few in a bit just juggling a baby, a 2 year old and a phone atm!
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2018, 09:48:21 AM »

Bahh! Not quite big enough!
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2018, 01:10:58 PM »

Yep, mine have arrived and fit very nicely into my SL22 Boosts 👌


Cant wait to get mine too...and mine will also be going inside a pair of boosts . Is that saying something about our choice of footwear ?  :D
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2018, 03:03:11 PM »

And yet this is a product that they can barely give away, their reps don’t even carry samples to show to retailers as they know that no-one buys them.

Those who use them, never look back. I wish people would get beyond the "stupid" look mindset.
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No disprespect to Tom as I love ayrtek helmets and own one myself, but by its very nature it is a niche product.

Same as P1. Use it once and you are a fan. I don't think it is a niche product, I see more Ayrtek helmets in my league than Morrant pads.

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For your call for change to gain traction there needs to be an actual reason, a dissatisfaction. And whilst the majority are scoring boundaries with their bats and being reasonably well protected (it is a dangerous sport at the end of the day) than the demand from customers won’t be there even if there was some sort of magical revolutionary product improvement sat there waiting to go, if only some evil manufacturer just interested in money would take the chance on launching it.

This is where I disagree. People are hitting sixes with their bats but it takes a lot of work to get a bat prepared. Very few bats are ready to play and hit sixes with out of the box. My Kranzbuhlers required little to no work in getting them to hit bix sixes. In fact my XP2000 saw no net time. People who stay in the sport, are die hard fans who overlook the gear inadequacies and don't complain much about the knocking/prep bat time. Other than that, many people don't stick around. If ICC wants to open up bigger markets like the US, you can forget about young kids sticking with the sport if the bats take 1 whole season to open up. They'd move on to something else.

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You must also consider that the whole sport never mind just the cricket equipment industry is a very traditionalist one.
That would have to change if the sport is to expand into $$$$ markets like the US.
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Things are how they are and for the most part this is how they will be for the medium to long term. Many recent innovations have been met with short shrift from lawmakers. Carbon handles, laminated bats, graphite backed bats, bats bigger than a certain size, etc. Where’s the incentive for a manufacturer to think outside the box? In the back of their mind they know that it will probably get outlawed.
The whole bat size discussion was steered in the wrong direction by Ponting et al who did a huge disservice to non-pro market. I say bring back laminates, carbon handles, and big bats. Let clubbies buy novel gear. Leave the traditional bats for pros like baseball.
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2018, 05:32:48 PM »

Those who use them, never look back. I wish people would get beyond the "stupid" look mindset.
Same as P1. Use it once and you are a fan. I don't think it is a niche product, I see more Ayrtek helmets in my league than Morrant pads.

This is where I disagree. People are hitting sixes with their bats but it to hit bix sixes. In fact my. I say bring bac

I used them and whilst they are very light they made sweeping very awkward due to the lack of give in too hat of pad. I no longer use them for this reason.
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2018, 05:36:30 PM »

I used them for a season or so but found they were hopeless against spinners it close catchers as the slightest inside edge ballooned so much could could be caught on the fence.
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2018, 05:09:13 AM »

Hi everyone!

Can I start by just thanking you all so much for such kind words, genuinely love this stuff and appreciate the support enormously.

Absolutely awesome when a subject provokes conversation, it's entirely this which can result in changes happening, there are other ways of course! but as long as everyone has fun along the way ;) everyone's enthusiasm really shines through on this forum :)

My product range is definitely somewhat "scatty" if seen as a whole! Body armour is certainly the core and it's going well. This will be expanding into new tech, but this has genuinely taken 2-3 years of slow development. Rather than over-excitedly making the same mistake of promising a drop for a particular time, I'll just keep going and let you know when it's done :)

All the cases, sleeves and leather is from my past work in Europe. When allowed, I'll post some images of a cricket travel wardrobe just commissioned last month (it's got a champagne cooler! why not!) for gents of England.
The 1900's kit was mainly for fun, but there is a more serious element to it (part of a bigger project which again I won't go into now!)

Every year I like to just do one bat which has something to make a talking point, first was the RPC with a diamond set in the blade, then Wifey (apologies to anyone who found it offensive) The whole point is to generate discussion and give those interested something to talk about :) This year the 3rd bat will drop mid-season, very different, again I can't wait to see what happens!!

Right then, toe guards..
Thank you Tom for the images, they are standard size and very simple, made from a high density PU so they flex but manage shock very well. Ideally you would put them "in" whilst padding up.

Theres been over 100 emails asking to trial, so I'm going to have to ask for a bit to cover postage but otherwise theres no charge for anyone who would like to have a go this season.
Officially they are going to be in stores for 2018, giving adequate time to apply any revisions etc.

Just drop an email to george@strettonfoxsports.com, again, sorry for not getting back to everyone straight away!

Thank you very much again,
George
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2018, 09:18:54 AM »

Anyone who loves cricket has got to love this man.  :D
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