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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2018, 08:21:18 PM »

OK, first proposal for ver1.2.

What if...

A material that is as soft as a strip of chewing gum, with application of heat, theres a chemical reaction and it goes hard. This would mean everyone gets a half moon shaped piece of this material, you squish it into your shoe, cutting off excess for a good fit, then when all correctly shaped and in place, get a hair dryer in the show for 30 secs and it's ready. Bespoke toe cap but available off the shelf, guess a similar mode of operation to getting a gum-shield.

? What could this be like from your points of view?

The material does exist as well, not just theoretical ! :)

Very best,
George
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #76 on: April 22, 2018, 08:25:38 PM »

I’ve batted twice in mine now(couldn’t be assed to vid as noninterest in vidnone)

If they didn’t rub on the little toe(and a slight extension is just needed) I’d not even realise they were there
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #77 on: April 22, 2018, 08:38:10 PM »

OK, first proposal for ver1.2.

What if...

A material that is as soft as a strip of chewing gum, with application of heat, theres a chemical reaction and it goes hard. This would mean everyone gets a half moon shaped piece of this material, you squish it into your shoe, cutting off excess for a good fit, then when all correctly shaped and in place, get a hair dryer in the show for 30 secs and it's ready. Bespoke toe cap but available off the shelf, guess a similar mode of operation to getting a gum-shield.

? What could this be like from your points of view?

The material does exist as well, not just theoretical ! :)

Very best,
George

Why does it have to slide inside the shoe? Why not put it on top of the shoe and somehow wrap it around like a field-hockey goalie's shoe cover or a leg-pad (leg guard) but a smaller version to cover the toe and top of the foot? I have been hit on top of my foot (the pointy bone part) many times and it hurts like hell! The laces for this cover system/tie-system could just circle around the spikes or rubber sole of the shoe and to the side along the ankle? If you are using light material, weight wouldn't be an issue. Plus, you could also put some sponge-like material under a light-weight hard shell surface top. The concept is exactly like a leg-pad/leg-guard but it just sits on top of your front foot.
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2018, 05:56:53 AM »

OK, first proposal for ver1.2.

What if...

A material that is as soft as a strip of chewing gum, with application of heat, theres a chemical reaction and it goes hard. This would mean everyone gets a half moon shaped piece of this material, you squish it into your shoe, cutting off excess for a good fit, then when all correctly shaped and in place, get a hair dryer in the show for 30 secs and it's ready. Bespoke toe cap but available off the shelf, guess a similar mode of operation to getting a gum-shield.

? What could this be like from your points of view?

The material does exist as well, not just theoretical ! :)

Very best,
George

I’d be up for trying them mate as if you can customise might fit the tighter shoes better
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2018, 07:52:00 AM »

OK, first proposal for ver1.2.

What if...

A material that is as soft as a strip of chewing gum, with application of heat, theres a chemical reaction and it goes hard. This would mean everyone gets a half moon shaped piece of this material, you squish it into your shoe, cutting off excess for a good fit, then when all correctly shaped and in place, get a hair dryer in the show for 30 secs and it's ready. Bespoke toe cap but available off the shelf, guess a similar mode of operation to getting a gum-shield.

? What could this be like from your points of view?

The material does exist as well, not just theoretical ! :)

Very best,
George

Are you still after testers? Would be pleased to offer services - especially after having my toe broken last season so i'm definately more wary about my feet now!!
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2018, 11:59:28 AM »

Bespoke yet off the shelf ! I like this idea a lot George .
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2018, 12:25:19 PM »













I received my toe guards from George today and have got some immediate thoughts, though I haven't yet netted with them and I have only tried them in my match boots and not in any trainers.

I actually started discussing toe guards with George over a couple of years ago, and as one would expect from someone like George, he remembered, and got in touch about his prototypes. I've broken my left big toe twice, both times in nets against yorkers. I could get better at batting or quit cricket, but instead, while I was waiting for these, I bought some steel toe cap trainers from Screwfix which have been working fine for bowling and batting in nets. But they're blue!

Initial thoughts on these:

1. the protection is fantastic - more than enough at my level, and better than anything currently available, short of steel toe caps.

2. Issues with fit should be evident from the photos - you can see that they fit on the ends of my toes, rather than over the whole of the "toe box".
- this creates an issue when squashed in an average boot, since typically i would imagine, boots do not have room to accommodate the toe guard
- where you can see my little toes on the edge of the guard, even not squashed in a boot, it digs in and can hurt
- squashed into the boot, the little toes on the outside edge, it hurts to stand and i imagine will hurt more to run
- as with anything squashed into the front of your boot - e.g. thicker socks vs thinner socks - your big toe ends up being squashed a little too

3. Ppl have mentioned and George himself has said that maybe a more pliable material would be better. My personal feeling is that it boils down to fit as much as the material.
- there is a video further up of someone showing us the guards in a mesh-material shoe - there is enough give in that material that fit isn't an issue - in my old leather boots, despite the leather having moulded to my feet, there isn't room or enough give for these without it being uncomfortable
- i might have bought a half size up knowing i have these, and then keep them as batting boots,
- with the toe guards taken out, that half size would mean my feet would slide around in them when fielding
- i suppose some ppl have batting and fielding/bowling boots already, and therefore the idea that you have two boots is not ridiculous - in my case, it would have prevented two toe fractures, with ongoing stiffness and pain - £60 on an "extra" pair of batting boots is fine by me, and ultimately what i will end up doing

4. Coming back to fit - since so many of George's goods are "Custom", in keeping with the name of the forum, a custom option that fits exactly across the width of your toes may be another option to explore, if it is viable for George's production process.
- As they are by necessity somewhat rigid, unlike boots and shoes, a one-size fits all option is probably not viable.
- a range of sizes would be another option, but inferior to sending George an outline of our toes +/- a measure of the "height" of our big toe perhaps?

Lastly, my email exchanges with George have been very rewarding. I like the way he goes about his work. His methods, like the toe-caps, may not be a one size fits all thing, but it fits fine with my customer service expectations.

Happy to discuss the toe guards further and answer any questions/post more photos.

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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2018, 01:35:15 PM »

OK, first proposal for ver1.2.

What if...

A material that is as soft as a strip of chewing gum, with application of heat, theres a chemical reaction and it goes hard. This would mean everyone gets a half moon shaped piece of this material, you squish it into your shoe, cutting off excess for a good fit, then when all correctly shaped and in place, get a hair dryer in the show for 30 secs and it's ready. Bespoke toe cap but available off the shelf, guess a similar mode of operation to getting a gum-shield.

? What could this be like from your points of view?

The material does exist as well, not just theoretical ! :)

Very best,
George

George,
Do you mean something Rolyan Aquaplast - like stuff that is used to make castes - starts as a sheet, soak in hot water bath, mould and allow to cool set, and then use hairdryer to reset?
Does it have as much "give"? And aquaplast can also leave sharp edges which need smoothing off?
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2018, 03:29:15 PM »

OK, first proposal for ver1.2.

What if...

A material that is as soft as a strip of chewing gum, with application of heat, theres a chemical reaction and it goes hard. This would mean everyone gets a half moon shaped piece of this material, you squish it into your shoe, cutting off excess for a good fit, then when all correctly shaped and in place, get a hair dryer in the show for 30 secs and it's ready. Bespoke toe cap but available off the shelf, guess a similar mode of operation to getting a gum-shield.

? What could this be like from your points of view?

The material does exist as well, not just theoretical ! :)

Very best,
George

That sounds like the perfect idea for update (v1.2)
Bring it on!
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2018, 01:20:51 PM »

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Having just tried mine in my Puma cricket boots, here's a few of my thoughts:

With the toeguards as they are, I'd have to get the next shoe size up (or two sizes up) for the toe guards not to squash my toes.
Problem with that is the shoe could then probably be too loose elsewhere.

If the toeguards were initially malleable (perhaps from heating) so they could form a bespoke fit for the boot, and then harden, that could be ideal.

Or could the malleable material comprise the same stuff that @Ayrtek Cricket boxes are made from George? D30 isn't it? Initially soft, but instantly harden on impact? (Ooo-errr.)

If the toeguards had softer padding or material on the inside, it'd help comfort.

There may need to be say, three sizes, with each being made of malleable materials, as a one-size-fits-all might not work, given that feet sizes range so greatly.

Have to say, I think you're onto a winner with the concept, anyhow.

Looking forward to the next version.






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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #85 on: May 02, 2018, 02:32:58 PM »

So I received mine a few weeks ago but with so much rain and little cricket it's been hard to use them. Last night we had a net and I wore them for the 1st time. My feedback is very much like everyone else, my Nike trainers (4 pairs) I just could not get the toe protector to fit in the shoe at all. I did mange to get them to fit in a pair of NB trainers just.

Proftectiin wise I was tapping the bat hard on the ends and felt nothing so protection would no doubt be decent even against some of the 70mph bowlers we come across. Fit wise however I would not be able to wear them in a game as they were just bearable to net in and that's without running etc. As has been pointed out for me my whole toe area doesn't fit in and that end up crushing my toes in my standard size trainers so any length of time would be very uncomfortable. I will take them to Sports direct and play around to see best trainer option for these ad maybe go from there.

In summary a great start to what will no doubt be a great product just needs some fine tuning.
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #86 on: May 02, 2018, 03:55:29 PM »

 A normal person's feet expand a little after standing around, walking, or running. The shoe feels tighter. Now, repeat this scenario while batting with lots of runs. This concept will not be practical during a match.

The protection needs to sit outside the shoe - on top, like a leg guard. Doesn't have to be bulky or big, just a practical design with easy lace/velcro option.
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #87 on: May 02, 2018, 11:56:48 PM »

A normal person's feet expand a little after standing around, walking, or running. The shoe feels tighter. Now, repeat this scenario while batting with lots of runs. This concept will not be practical during a match.

The protection needs to sit outside the shoe - on top, like a leg guard. Doesn't have to be bulky or big, just a practical design with easy lace/velcro option.


Dems sounds like fightin words ..... :D
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2018, 12:43:01 AM »

Need something like this or Ive even heard that they have fabric that does the same. Soft material that hardens on impact. Shoe companies could just sew the fabric into the shoes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM-589uXX68

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3023905/The-magic-liquid-stop-bullet-tracks-New-material-set-lead-lightweight-body.html
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Re: Foxies latest creation appears to be taking shape....
« Reply #89 on: May 03, 2018, 02:10:14 AM »


Dems sounds like fightin words ..... :D

Not at all. I do see the need for such a product (two broken toes), I am just pointing out the flaw in the execution here.

A "bullet proof" shoe insert will simply not work because feet expand and shoes feel tighter. The idea in its current incarnation will work if the shoe is loose enough to accommodate an insert, comfortably. That is just not realistic for everyone.
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