Topic: England Test Series vs Pakistan (Read 60571 times)

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #90 on:** May 15, 2018, 03:55:22 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on May 15, 2018, 03:28:45 PM

Hahaha

Clueless yet again. England will easily win at home so we can read nothing into the summer performances anyway. Shame.. ECB miss yet another chance to change things.

A lot of county red ball players will be thinking �what�s the point�.. might as well go play hit and giggle

Agree having watched Pakastan v Ireland regardless of who they pick from the names being banded around

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #91 on:** May 15, 2018, 04:01:05 PM »

Quote from: six and out on May 15, 2018, 03:43:38 PM

1 things for sure Rajastan are going to be pissed - losing Butler for the end of the IPL they wouldn't have thought that would happen

Hang on a minute. Large amounts of money involved?

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #92 on:** May 15, 2018, 04:25:32 PM »

According to Aggers on Twitter Root has confirmed he�ll bat 3...

Johnny · « **Reply #93 on:** May 15, 2018, 05:01:25 PM »

England v Pakistan: Jos Buttler & Dominic Bess named in squad for first Test - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44105904

BBC seem to think the top 7 is set.

Buzz · « **Reply #94 on:** May 15, 2018, 05:33:13 PM »

This is a bit of an odd selection really.
If you look at the issues we had this winter, unstable opening pair was one. Shaky number 3 Root, Malan, Stokes (when he played), Bairstow was ok then we had issues with zero penetration with the bowling and no variation.

So to solve the issue they drop Vince and take Buttler and leave the bowling as is.

This is the ECB so it inevitability makes no sense.

We need variation. Plus if we pick Bess as an off spin bowler a left arm quick is helpful to provide rough. Now the Paks have two lefties so that will help Bess, but humm.

Stoneman is out of form, Jennings and Gubbins are in great form.
Pick both, put Cook at 3 and Root back to 4.
I realise Buttler is wonderfully talented, but his selection is an insult to Vince, Jennings, Gubbins, Hildreth and any number of other pros.

As for the bowling 4 right arm fast medium is daft. Plus Stokes. Pick Sam Curran. He is good enough.

I feel really frustrated by this squad as it fails to take into the account our winter

ppccopener · « **Reply #95 on:** May 15, 2018, 06:01:22 PM »

Yes totally agree it's a bit odd, and not just because some of us in our team selection were way out. I think it was @six and out the other day who posted, new selectors, you really don't know what might happen

This looks like it's a case of new selection making a mark, but is it the right thinking.....

Bess I can understand with leach injured and Ali lacking form and confidence.

If I was Foakes I might be thinking why play county cricket.

If you are going to drop Vince to me it would make more sense if butler keeps, Malan to 3 and Bairstow as a specialist batsman.

Mpt7 · « **Reply #96 on:** May 15, 2018, 06:51:43 PM »

An odd selection no doubt but I quite like the Buttler call, he�s a box office cricketer and he won�t play enough official red ball Cricket to get in the side but he is crushing it against the best in the world in a different format - at 7 he might just get away with it! I hope for fireworks

England do need a spinner but with Ali out of form, leach injured. The cupboard is pretty bare. Bess and Virdi both have potential but probably aren�t ready so having them around the group makes sense and if there is a Bunsen chuck them in.

Gubbins runs are great but aren�t really as valuable in Div two compared to Buttler�s in Ipl however with stonemans form he had a great shout

I love James Vince but one of him and stoneman had to go. I�m not convinced (get it) they made the right choice

Progressive and hopefully a move toward more quick scoring Cricket

And just for giggles - my left field XI

1. Cook
2. Bairstow
3. Malan/Stokes
4. Root
5. Stokes/Malan
6. Foakes (gloves)
7. Butter
8. Woakes/spinner
9 Wood/Spinner
10. Broad
11. Anderson

Manormanic · « **Reply #97 on:** May 15, 2018, 06:59:37 PM »

Some good observations here from @Buzz and @Mpt7

Realistically, both Stoneman and Vince were not going to survive. There is an argument neither should have - but if one goes, Vince, having made runs all English season, would have expected to survive over Stoneman, who looks like a walking wicket at the moment. I can only assume that the thought process was "we can find another three, we can't rebalance what we have to cover the opening slot". Could Vince have opened? Was Buttler that essential? Both valid questions - I think the sad thing is that a day after Vince finally played the kind of innings we've all wished he had the fortitude to play, they have effectively ended his Test career.

Buttler is odd for another reason. I can't see them fielding him with Bess, Broad, Wood, Anderson behind him, so Woakes almost has to play despite being the natural reserve. And thus we end up back at right arm trundle....

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #98 on:** May 15, 2018, 07:42:56 PM »

It's a mess. It's a mess whoever they pick.

Mpt7 · « **Reply #99 on:** May 15, 2018, 07:58:07 PM »

OK so I�ve read through all the other posts - I deliberately don�t read too much so I am not influenced by other opinions (you can be persuasive!) however, one this has peaked my interest...

-Picking someone based on County championships runs-

A number of players have scored a lot of runs and had average tests returns. Others have been average a CC but performed well. Are we correct to believe that runs in CC are a direct indicator for success in the test arena?

golders · « **Reply #100 on:** May 15, 2018, 08:45:59 PM »

A middle-order of Bairstow/Stokes/Buttler looks pretty exciting to me...On the other hand not impressed with the bowling unit at all.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #101 on:** May 15, 2018, 08:50:17 PM »

Quote from: golders on May 15, 2018, 08:45:59 PM

A middle-order of Bairstow/Stokes/Buttler looks pretty exciting to me...On the other hand not impressed with the bowling unit at all.

Exciting isn�t what you want in TEST cricket. You want consistent runs and the ability to adapt to the situation

Manormanic · « **Reply #102 on:** May 15, 2018, 08:54:43 PM »

Quote from: Mpt7 on May 15, 2018, 07:58:07 PM

OK so I�ve read through all the other posts - I deliberately don�t read too much so I am not influenced by other opinions (you can be persuasive!) however, one this has peaked my interest...

-Picking someone based on County championships runs-

A number of players have scored a lot of runs and had average tests returns. Others have been average a CC but performed well. Are we correct to believe that runs in CC are a direct indicator for success in the test arena?

Difficult this one - Duncan Fletcher had a run of success picking on hunches - Vaughan had the defence of playing at the old Headingley, Banger, Jones, Jones and even Hoggard less so.

Standards have improved. By and large now, the best players score division one runs. Some, like Gary Ballance, can do that and nauseum, but have on off test records, but it is a long time since there was a player not scoring at that level achieving in test cricket.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #103 on:** May 15, 2018, 08:55:18 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on May 15, 2018, 08:50:17 PM

Exciting isn�t what you want in TEST cricket. You want consistent runs and the ability to adapt to the situation

Which both bairstow and stokes have done in the past

As has buttler (in India last time he played)

Manormanic · « **Reply #104 on:** May 15, 2018, 08:55:36 PM »

For the pedants, I know Hoggard pplayrdvat Headingley. Different for seamers.

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