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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #390 on: May 31, 2018, 10:56:55 AM »

Separately Broad has been dropped, I understand.
You heard it hear first.

Your intelligence recently has been suspiciously good. Are you Englands bag man?
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« Reply #391 on: May 31, 2018, 11:15:46 AM »

That would be pretty big news england don’t make too many changes
And Vaughan will be pleased indeed

Is Overton fit? Seems odd he is not in the squad
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« Reply #392 on: May 31, 2018, 11:35:16 AM »

Bairstow pulled out of training this morning too according to Cricinfo.

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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #393 on: May 31, 2018, 11:48:03 AM »

Wheels are coming off big time
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #394 on: May 31, 2018, 11:54:38 AM »

So if we do lose Stokes and Bairstow (and Broad is dropped) this could be our starting XI. Hardly the most inspiring batting line up...

Cook
Jennings
Root
Malan
Buttler
Foakes
Woakes
Bess
Curran
Wood
Anderson
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #395 on: May 31, 2018, 11:58:50 AM »

If Bairstow is genuinely a doubt, then they'll call up a batsman as cover and give Buttler the gloves.

Not as though we're touring abroad and can't get someone to Headingly with a day's notice! Every county player in the country would drive through the night to get there and have a chance of playing. 
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #396 on: May 31, 2018, 11:59:20 AM »

Team needs a boot up the (No Swearing Please) by the looks of things, Broad dropped and Stokes/Bairstow not playing might not be the best way to win this test but Woakes with the new ball/Curran debut/young batsman getting a chance is a great way to start moving the team into the future.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #397 on: May 31, 2018, 12:17:40 PM »

What's all this of Broad being dropped? Haven't seen anything official or is it just the CBF spies?
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #398 on: May 31, 2018, 12:23:12 PM »

One of my clubs juniors who plays in Yorkshire set up has cleaned up both Woakes and Bess this morning
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #399 on: May 31, 2018, 01:01:07 PM »

Stokes and Bairstow will both be fine to play tomorrow.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #400 on: May 31, 2018, 01:19:31 PM »

That would be pretty big news england don’t make too many changes
And Vaughan will be pleased indeed

Is Overton fit? Seems odd he is not in the squad

Overton as an injured hand
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #401 on: May 31, 2018, 01:25:30 PM »

Team needs a boot up the (No Swearing Please) by the looks of things, Broad dropped and Stokes/Bairstow not playing might not be the best way to win this test but Woakes with the new ball/Curran debut/young batsman getting a chance is a great way to start moving the team into the future.

Woakes with the new ball who's done nothing for two years a great way to start moving England into the future has to be a windup comment.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #402 on: May 31, 2018, 01:47:07 PM »

Woakes with the new ball who's done nothing for two years a great way to start moving England into the future has to be a windup comment.

Only windup is your continuous Woakes bashing!
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #403 on: May 31, 2018, 02:55:41 PM »

I've read this thread through a few times and managed to stop myself from commenting...until now.

I think all of us as England fans need a bit of reality check, please let me explain.

1. We have a (just one) world class opener. Cook is the best we have. He is not as consistent as he once was but is still capable of big hundreds.
2. Root is world class. Would we sometimes like him to be as consistent as Kohil, Smith and Williamson? Yes we would like him to convert more 50's into 100's but let's just be happy we have him and appreciate him.
3. YJB is very, very good.
4. We don't have another opener to really partner Cook. Nobody is smashing down the selectors door to be picked. Choose Jennings, choose Stoneman, choose Gubbins, Choose Life or choose Robson. Nobody is showing outstanding First Class form to be picked.
5. We don't have a number 4. Malan has showed glimpses of class but isn't consistent yet.
6. Stokes is very, very good.
7. Butler could be an option at number 7. But should probably keep and free up YJB.
8. We don't have a world class spinner. We have to throw someone the ball and hope they are up to Test Match standard.
9. Broad is no longer Test class but who do we replace him with? Is Woakes good enough? Do you just pick the best bowler in the first class game? Do you identify 5 bowlers under 25 and say we will work with you and the bowler/bowlers that produce the best performances in the First Class game will get a test match call.
10. Anderson is very good.
11. See Broad above. 

So in summary with the exception of Root, YJB, Stokes and on occasion Cook and Anderson England are pretty average. What can be done to change things? In years gone by we had some very strong First Class performers who were regularly scoring runs and taking wickets. How many batsman now regularly average 50+ in a first class season for more than just one season?   

Let's completely review the professional cricket in England. Too much meaningless cricket is played. The 50 over competition is poorly attended. We only need 1 T20 competition. Why not make the 50 over competition a knockout completion? The England players should have been able to play 4 or 5 first class matches before the test match series begins. Let's have more quality cricket and less volume of cricket. The first class season should be Anderson Vs Cook, Root Vs Porter, Stoneman Vs Overton etc. We need the best test match qualified players facing each other, as regularly as possible.

APRIL/MAY/JUNE should be first class cricket with a bit of 50 over county cricket.
JULY/AUGUST should be T20. Plenty of test cricket/ODI's for those that are of international quality. 
SEPT Final first class cricket play off games. Bit of test match cricket and ODI's.

I don't want this to come across as a England bashing rant. Something is wrong though and needs some fixing. We are an average test match side but on a positive front we are a very good ODI side. We have a few fundamental issues to address:

1. How do we develop test match/longer format batsman capable of playing in all conditions?
2. How do we develop test match spinners?
3. How do we develop/nurture pace bowlers?

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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #404 on: May 31, 2018, 03:26:19 PM »

That’s a lot of thread to read.

I’m not hundred percent sure Sam is gonna be year class, but I am actually quite happy to see the lad get a shot.
Left armer something different too.

But what did Tom do to upset the selection after ashes? He wasn’t that bad was he?


Broad should be jettisoned, his and Anderson’s attitude stinks, but Anderson a lot more consistent as a test player. Broad turns up once every 20’innings, and is below average rest of the time.
Plus his batting has become a joke.


Back to Sam, good he’s in at 19, maybe England should try real youth. Ollie pope? Harry brooks? Hameed....... although it’s an odi he’s near fifty today.
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