Topic: One hit and gone (Read 5667 times)

jjelricksmith · « **on:** May 29, 2018, 12:04:56 PM »

Do you throw away a helmet and get a new one after it has been hit? Got hit by a bouncer on the weekend part peak part grill at a decent pace. Doesn't seem to be any sign of damage or impact on the helmet but been advised to bin it and get a new one. Seems like the one hit and bin is just marketing in the most part but anyone have any thoughts on this?

Timbo287 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 29, 2018, 12:56:10 PM »

I would get a new one after an impact. The impact would have caused weakness in the helmet and just because you can�t see any signs of damage doesn�t mean that there isn�t any. I hear what you are saying that they are expensive but they are protecting an important part of your body

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2018, 01:10:15 PM »

@Ayrtek Cricket one for you to answer mate

Kulli · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2018, 02:59:06 PM »

Quote from: Timbo287 on May 29, 2018, 12:56:10 PM

I would get a new one after an impact. The impact would have caused weakness in the helmet and just because you can�t see any signs of damage doesn�t mean that there isn�t any. I hear what you are saying that they are expensive but they are protecting an important part of your body

I would agree with this, it's also the reason I wouldn't like to pay more than about 50 for a Helmet. Which is ok as long as you can get one that'll do the job at that price!

jjelricksmith · « **Reply #4 on:** May 29, 2018, 03:01:16 PM »

Thanks all think ill have a browse around for a new one, only been hit once ever and was slightly hungover on Saturday which is probably the reason.

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #5 on:** May 29, 2018, 06:01:13 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on May 29, 2018, 01:10:15 PM

@Ayrtek Cricket one for you to answer mate

Before the 2013 revision helmets used to be subjected to 2 impacts upon the same location but this was amended to fall in line with what the BSI labelling stated that it should be replaced after an impact. New testing only require 1 impact per location which the committee deemed appropriate so that a wider scope of designs and materials could potentially be used to increase a Helmets impact attenuation performance.

jimmy23 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 29, 2018, 07:57:23 PM »

Quote from: Ayrtek Cricket on May 29, 2018, 06:01:13 PM

Before the 2013 revision helmets used to be subjected to 2 impacts upon the same location but this was amended to fall in line with what the BSI labelling stated that it should be replaced after an impact. New testing only require 1 impact per location which the committee deemed appropriate so that a wider scope of designs and materials could potentially be used to increase a Helmets impact attenuation performance.

Can you translate to simpleton terms please?

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #7 on:** May 29, 2018, 08:18:46 PM »

Before 2013 a helmet used to get dropped twice onto the same area In order to pass, the 1st impact would weaken the area so they have to be tough enough to withstand the 2nd impact too and still come in under a certain performance level.

This has now been changed so that they only need to perform under the threshold for 1 impact.

jjelricksmith · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2018, 10:06:24 AM »

Quote from: Ayrtek Cricket on May 29, 2018, 08:18:46 PM

Before 2013 a helmet used to get dropped twice onto the same area In order to pass, the 1st impact would weaken the area so they have to be tough enough to withstand the 2nd impact too and still come in under a certain performance level.

This has now been changed so that they only need to perform under the threshold for 1 impact.

so in your opinion has the quality got worse in terms of longevity? I guess to the eye and feel they seem to be similar as they always have been.

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2018, 11:34:38 AM »

Depends how stringent you are with it I guess, it�s the same with a cycling helmet that if you drop it then technically it should be replaced. I�ve seen players using helmets with nut caps missing and bent grills or snapped peaks before, I guess their outlook is something is better than nothing in terms of protection.

Buzz · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2018, 12:58:33 PM »

Quote from: Ayrtek Cricket on May 30, 2018, 11:34:38 AM

Depends how stringent you are with it I guess, it�s the same with a cycling helmet that if you drop it then technically it should be replaced. I�ve sent players using helmets with but caps missing and bent grills or snapped peaks before, I guess their outlook is something is better than nothing in terms of protection.

I got hit with an old style masuri and felt it had to go (so I stuck it on ebay for 99p with a massive health warning and lots of pictures)

If it is a glancing blow that is one thing, but if you are hit with a hefty blow front on, I would look at a replacement.

That is why the �40 masuri's are very tempting to me...

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2018, 01:49:50 PM »

Quote from: jjelricksmith on May 30, 2018, 10:06:24 AM

so in your opinion has the quality got worse in terms of longevity? I guess to the eye and feel they seem to be similar as they always have been.

Difficult one to answer, as you would expect readings are typically higher when the same location experiences a 2nd impact as the foam or EPS has been crushed from the 1st impact to it. This isnt immediately visible from the outside ofthe helmet as cricket helmets use a rigid outer shell.

The quality in terms of the Ayrtek Cricket helmets has improved as the info gained from this has allowed a balance between EPS density and comfort the be reached. Previously a much denser level was needed as it has to withstand 2 drops onto the anvil in the same location.

The currnet PremierTek range performs to a level 82% below what is required to pass the BSI test procedure (250kn).

JK Lewis · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2018, 03:02:06 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on May 30, 2018, 12:58:33 PM

I got hit with an old style masuri and felt it had to go (so I stuck it on ebay for 99p with a massive health warning and lots of pictures)

If it is a glancing blow that is one thing, but if you are hit with a hefty blow front on, I would look at a replacement.

That is why the �40 masuri's are very tempting to me...

Bit puzzled as to why cheap helmets could be seen as the answer. If you need a lot of replacement helmets I would suggest that you either improve your technique, or play at a significantly lower level. A cheap helmet is likely cheap for a reason, and would only be useful if you never get hit.

edge · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2018, 03:33:40 PM »

Quote from: JK Lewis on May 30, 2018, 03:02:06 PM

Bit puzzled as to why cheap helmets could be seen as the answer. If you need a lot of replacement helmets I would suggest that you either improve your technique, or play at a significantly lower level. A cheap helmet is likely cheap for a reason, and would only be useful if you never get hit.

I'd agree with Buzz - trouble with the current prices for lids is that the new equivalent of my lid (old Masuri test ti, so an OS2 ti) is �175 rrp! One kicks up on a net wicket and you wear it, which is what lead to my previous helmet purchase, and that's a good chunk of money gone. Compared to the previous prices it's a lot to shell out, if I remember right mine cost me �60ish which is around the price of a Masuri Legacy or a GM - both of which pass the new tests even if they potentially aren't as protective as a top of the line lid. Would be quite interested to know the difference between a �60 Legacy and a �105 OS2 steel other than the cloth covering!

JK Lewis · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2018, 04:38:11 PM »

Quote from: edge on May 30, 2018, 03:33:40 PM

I'd agree with Buzz - trouble with the current prices for lids is that the new equivalent of my lid (old Masuri test ti, so an OS2 ti) is �175 rrp! One kicks up on a net wicket and you wear it, which is what lead to my previous helmet purchase, and that's a good chunk of money gone. Compared to the previous prices it's a lot to shell out, if I remember right mine cost me �60ish which is around the price of a Masuri Legacy or a GM - both of which pass the new tests even if they potentially aren't as protective as a top of the line lid. Would be quite interested to know the difference between a �60 Legacy and a �105 OS2 steel other than the cloth covering!

But how often do you get hit? I've been hit on the head once in my life, 2 seasons ago. I don't play as much as many others but honestly, if I was getting hit regularly I'd be rethinking my participation - good lid or not.

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