Topic: Where are these brands Manufactured? (Read 18934 times)

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #45 on:** June 25, 2018, 10:11:22 AM »

I think the consumer has the right to know exactly what they are buying and exactly where it was made.

Julian Millichamp was clearly a capable batmaker. Doesn't mean he should be the benchmark for consumer ethics.

Mfarank · « **Reply #46 on:** June 25, 2018, 10:29:53 AM »

Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading in the comments section of one of IJC videos where paul mentioned that all M&H bats are now manufactured in india and theyr not honest about it. Hence IJC stopped stocking them.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #47 on:** June 25, 2018, 10:45:21 AM »

Julian Millichamp sold Millichamp & Hall on, many years ago.

But, yes, M&H are rumoured to outsource production and may be a good example of what Paul is talking about.

IJC seem to start and stop stocking most brands.

t2ylo · « **Reply #48 on:** June 25, 2018, 06:01:47 PM »

I enjoyed listening to Paul Aldred he�s genuine & passionate which made me really want to try his bats to see if his results match his rhetoric

So much that I found a couple more videos and same applies.

So in an overcrowded world of bat makers/shapers/sticker appliers he is on the right track - be different & proud

Made me search Ebay for a decent price, light, high middle Aldred - and then realised the irony that I�d completely ignored his advice

mad_abt_cricket · « **Reply #49 on:** June 26, 2018, 11:41:22 AM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on June 24, 2018, 06:34:15 PM

An old friend with some interesting words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSRMBVz1-Uk

As long as a company is transparent about it's activity and not trying to lie the customer about it, I don't see a problem with it.
I agree to some parts in the video but the way Paul has come across here in this video to show himself superior is Hippocratic. Couple of years back when I was looking for some willow and contacted him as well among other companies for oversize willow, he was more than willing to sell the partmade bats. I still have his messages in my pm here. Now suddenly he has a problem with all the "batshapers" around as he got the big fish "Newbery" and he not longer need small orders? Upto an extent that he wants a law in this regard!

Indeed there is a talent and hard work involved in handling and pressing part of the bat making. Other than to save time, there are other genuine reasons why some are not doing it themselves.
I am shaping bats for 6 years now and mostly in open space. I still do not have finances to build my own workshop and get everything done by my own.
I can extend his logic by saying only H4L and even our talented forumite JK Lewis are true bat makers as they grow their own trees and it takes talent to take care of the tree, in nurturing, cutting it and getting it ready in the shape Paul gets when he starts his bat making process.

When you buy a raw cleft from a direct source, it is way cheaper than buying a part made cleft from a company while the final price has to be competitive. It is a false impression that those using partmades are making truck loads of money or there is no hard work involved.
I wouldn't go on and demean a company who is selling ready made finished bats as long as they are open about it. It is still a hard work. It needs good open communication, understanding customer's requirements and after sales support. Even retailers have to work hard. Nothing comes easy.
I have stayed and worked for weeks with supremely talented batmaking workers in India working for big companies and even though they are living in obscurity they are as good and talented batmakers as any others who can afford to market their skills online.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #50 on:** June 27, 2018, 12:01:40 PM »

Hippocratic? Is that a word?

Tom · « **Reply #51 on:** June 27, 2018, 12:28:46 PM »

I can understand why a batmaker who shapes, presses, planes and handles their willow is a little bit put out when someone who simply sands and sticks stickers tries to put themselves on equal footing.

Most buying bats don't really care, so I've never understood why more companies aren't honest about their processes.

I always found it quite funny about 10 years back when Newbery were so focused on legacy and hand-making, then GM come along with essentially the same process and don't stop talking about the innovation and machinery.

mattw · « **Reply #52 on:** June 27, 2018, 01:24:33 PM »

I can understand his point, due to the amount of work that goes in - however, by doing everything yourself - you're ultimately going to make more money. I'm sure brands like mine, would love to make their own bats from scratch - however, we pay for the most premium bats that we can source. If we were to make them ourselves, they wouldn't be anything like the quality we are currently selling. Ultimately we have made a decision to pay a premium price for the best quality bats that we can source.

I haven't watched his video, however the one thing that always sticks in my mind when it comes to talking about this is that people that do have an issue with this, don't make their own pads, gloves etc from scratch - therefore their argument is flawed in my opinion. Outsourcing goes on in (probably) every industry in the world, so I don't understand why people have an issue with it in the cricketing world.

Quote from: Tom on June 27, 2018, 12:28:46 PM

Most buying bats don't really care, so I've never understood why more companies aren't honest about their processes.

We try to be as honest as we can, in our latest blog we state that our bats are outsourced.

Yorkershire · « **Reply #53 on:** June 27, 2018, 01:40:03 PM »

Quote from: mattw on June 27, 2018, 01:24:33 PM

I can understand his point, due to the amount of work that goes in - however, by doing everything yourself - you're ultimately going to make more money. I'm sure brands like mine, would love to make their own bats from scratch - however, we pay for the most premium bats that we can source. If we were to make them ourselves, they wouldn't be anything like the quality we are currently selling. Ultimately we have made a decision to pay a premium price for the best quality bats that we can source.

I haven't watched his video, however the one thing that always sticks in my mind when it comes to talking about this is that people that have an issue with this don't make his own pads, gloves etc from scratch - therefore this argument is flawed in my opinion. Outsourcing goes on in (probably) every industry in the world, so I don't understand why people have an issue with it in the cricketing world.

We try to be as honest as we can, in our latest blog we state that our bats are outsourced.

That is my biggest ire too when people moan about outsourcing!!! ... They should stop selling their own branded softs. Absolutely Right, if you are so strongly opinionated on this.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #54 on:** June 27, 2018, 02:12:45 PM »

Quote from: Tom on June 27, 2018, 12:28:46 PM

I always found it quite funny about 10 years back when Newbery were so focused on legacy and hand-making, then GM come along with essentially the same process and don't stop talking about the innovation and machinery.

"We use a machine now, so as to maximise profit" probably isn't going to sell a lot of bats. Indeed, it might even serve to prove the statement incorrect.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #55 on:** June 27, 2018, 02:13:04 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on June 27, 2018, 12:01:40 PM

Hippocratic? Is that a word?

Isn't it something to do with the medical profession making an oath around an ethical code?

mad_abt_cricket · « **Reply #56 on:** June 27, 2018, 02:15:58 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on June 27, 2018, 02:13:04 PM

Isn't it something to do with the medical profession making an oath around an ethical code?

Sorry guys, the correct word is Hypocrite.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #57 on:** June 27, 2018, 02:19:27 PM »

Quote from: mad_abt_cricket on June 27, 2018, 02:15:58 PM

Sorry guys, the correct word is Hypocrite.

Hypocritical.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #58 on:** June 27, 2018, 02:46:35 PM »

Never understood why anyone would pay a premium to a sticker upper bat shaper or non manufacturer for there bat

mad_abt_cricket · « **Reply #59 on:** June 27, 2018, 03:08:11 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on June 27, 2018, 02:19:27 PM

Hypocritical.

You can start a grammar class mate, I will happily join. Thanks for all the corrections.

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