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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2018, 02:31:14 PM »
Quote from: HellomynameisJ on July 01, 2018, 01:04:51 PM
I was always taught to respect the umpires decision, good or bad, if I smash it on to my pad and I'm given out, I'm out, if I feather one down the leg side and get given not out, then I am not out. I wouldn't consider myself a cheat. I would take a different approach to a friendly or low grade game with a teammate umpiring, but I play with paid umpires and it's their call who is out and who isn't. Not mine and not the bowlers, I understand that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm certainly not a cheat.


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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2018, 02:35:38 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on July 03, 2018, 02:31:14 PM
You were taught wrong.

It's all well and good sitting behind a keyboard taking the moral high ground, but it's not always so clear cut is it?

Here's a scenario for you:
It's the last game of the season. The winner gets promoted while the loser misses out. You are butting in a run chase, and with 3 needed you feather one down the leg side. The umpire gives it not out, thinking it came off your thigh pad.
Do you walk and cost your side promotion or carry on batting?
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2018, 02:40:38 PM »
Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on July 03, 2018, 02:35:38 PM
It's all well and good sitting behind a keyboard taking the moral high ground, but it's not always so clear cut is it?

Here's a scenario for you:
It's the last game of the season. The winner gets promoted while the loser misses out. You are butting in a run chase, and with 3 needed you feather one down the leg side. The umpire gives it not out, thinking it came off your thigh pad.
Do you walk and cost your side promotion or carry on batting?

Walk. 100%. Totally not interested in winning by cheating, at any level.

Promotion to what?
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2018, 02:43:09 PM »
Quote from: Gurujames on July 03, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
I don’t care whether we win or lose. But I would rather lose than win knowing we had cheated. I would rather get a reputation as a fair team than be top of the table due to dodgy decisions.

Laudable - but how do you reconcile that with the decisions that go the other way and teams who don't share your standards?
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2018, 02:47:03 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on July 03, 2018, 02:31:14 PM
You were taught wrong.

Ah, the absolute certainty of the keyboard warrior.

It might be better to preface your statement with "in my opinion", no?
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2018, 02:48:33 PM »
Quote from: Manormanic on July 03, 2018, 02:43:09 PM
Laudable - but how do you reconcile that with the decisions that go the other way and teams who don't share your standards?

The other team won by cheating? Must feel fantastic for them, eh?

Wouldn't it be better to get straight down to it and have a fight? Are weapons allowed?
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2018, 02:49:28 PM »
Quote from: Manormanic on July 03, 2018, 02:47:03 PM
Ah, the absolute certainty of the keyboard warrior.

It might be better to preface your statement with "in my opinion", no?

Absolutely not.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2018, 02:53:53 PM »
I once feathered one. The keeper half heartedly appealed, no one else did. I didn’t walk and I have not forgotten it since. I still regret it as i still feel guilty. If I get a bad decision I feel that over time I will get other decisions that will go my way (LBW’s, close run outs etc).
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2018, 02:59:11 PM »
Quote from: Gurujames on July 03, 2018, 02:53:53 PM
I once feathered one. The keeper half heartedly appealed, no one else did. I didn’t walk and I have not forgotten it since. I still regret it as i still feel guilty. If I get a bad decision I feel that over time I will get other decisions that will go my way (LBW’s, close run outs etc).

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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2018, 03:12:28 PM »
It is amazing how emotional the topic of 'walking' is in our beautiful game, no matter who you talk to or where you are talking about it, everyone has differing thoughts and passions about it etc....

For me, it is all about the level you are playing at and therefore the corresponding level of umpire.

If you are playing with a full panel umpire who is getting paid to be there etc.... then you have every right to stand your ground. The umpires are there to do a job, they are choosing to be there and getting paid to be there.

However, if you are playing a level of club cricket where there is an umpire/player who is just doing it for fun/volunteering etc..... then you should always walk.

From the above 2 scenerio's you accept what you get, the good with the bad decision's from both paid umpire's and volunteer's...... we have all seen many a bad decision from a panel umpire and also getting an lbw off a player umpiring can be near impossible some days - so you accept and good with the bad no matter what.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2018, 03:36:09 PM »
I've said aim not going to walk anymore due to Getting so many bad decisions but I can't help it.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2018, 03:39:42 PM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on July 03, 2018, 03:36:09 PM
I've said aim not going to walk anymore due to Getting so many bad decisions but I can't help it.

To be fair I do walk, but I have zero poker face when batting.
I think me turning round to see if the catch is taken as soon as I snick it and my immediate reaction would be a total giveaway :-[
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2018, 03:41:27 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on July 03, 2018, 02:31:14 PM
You were taught wrong.

That's the great thing about opinions, to me, you are wrong, but the difference is im not being arrogant or rude to strangers on an internet forum whilst claiming to be morally superior.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2018, 03:43:52 PM »
Quote from: Gurujames on July 03, 2018, 02:53:53 PM
I once feathered one. The keeper half heartedly appealed, no one else did. I didn’t walk and I have not forgotten it since. I still regret it as i still feel guilty. If I get a bad decision I feel that over time I will get other decisions that will go my way (LBW’s, close run outs etc).

I agree with this 100%.  I feel you should do what feels right for you. What is the point in winning by cheating. Would you get a bat made a few mm wider and wait and see if anyone spotted it? Or use sandpaper to rough up the ball....oh wait....
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2018, 03:48:03 PM »
Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on July 03, 2018, 02:35:38 PM
It's all well and good sitting behind a keyboard taking the moral high ground, but it's not always so clear cut is it?

Here's a scenario for you:
It's the last game of the season. The winner gets promoted while the loser misses out. You are butting in a run chase, and with 3 needed you feather one down the leg side. The umpire gives it not out, thinking it came off your thigh pad.
Do you walk and cost your side promotion or carry on batting?

I'd walk every time if I knew I'd hit it regardless of what was on the line, would play on my mind for ages otherwise. I get it if other people don't want to walk, that's their prerogative but I always walk.
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